Kamma and its Ripening in the Abhidhamma

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Kamma and its Ripening in the Abhidhamma

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Wow. That is some powerful stuff.
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Postby kc2dpt » Tue Jan 20, 2009 7:13 pm

I have a tendency to think "That person spoke unkindly to me. Maybe if I get angry at them I can prevent hearing unkind words in the future." On a good day I might think "Maybe instead of getting angry I could calmly explain to them what they did and why it shouldn't be done." But now it seems to me there is nothing I can do except try to move on as quickly as possible, try to let it go.
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Postby Jechbi » Wed Jan 21, 2009 7:18 am

This is so wonderful, Bhante. Some of it is so clear and so obvious, yet so hard to remember right in that very moment when suddenly one is lost in the midst of akusala kamma, which clearly does not have to follow on the heels of akusala citta but all too often does. Or am I misunderstanding?

How can it be that vipākacitta is kusala or akusala? It seems to me that it is merely vipāka, an inevitable result, and at that point it's too late to worry about whether it's kusala or akusala. What am I missing?

Can we break the link between vipāka and kamma? Is that the point, that there really is no hard-and-fast link? Or am I missing some important understanding here? It seems like there's some volitional component between those two.

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Postby cooran » Wed Jan 21, 2009 10:33 am

---The trouble is that you think you have time---
---Worry is the Interest, paid in advance, on a debt you may never owe---
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Re: Kamma and its Ripening in the Abhidhamma

Postby robertk » Wed Jan 21, 2009 10:48 am

Dear Chris
Yes, I don't find that idea at all helpful. One then tries to concentrate on feelings, sensations(whatever) but is orant of the countless other elements.
It is inevitable that one will strenthen the idea that sati can be directed here and there- it goes against pariyatti.
From my perspective the way has to be more subtle - why look for special elements when every moment nama and rupa are appearing. The test is not whether one can be equanimous but whether there can be any understanding of how conditioned (uncontrollable )each element, including sati, is.

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Re: Kamma and its Ripening in the Abhidhamma

Postby Karma Dondrup Tashi » Wed Jan 21, 2009 3:09 pm

Sorry if these questions are not really on topic (or have already been asked and answered) however:

Why is the delay between kamma and vipaka different for different kammas?

Also, NVG says in her book that some cittas are kiriyacittas, neither cause nor result - what does this mean, that some things are outside of karma?

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Re: Kamma and its Ripening in the Abhidhamma

Postby Will » Wed Jan 21, 2009 3:29 pm

First she says "all cittas are beyond control" then "The cittas that like or dislike, and the cittas that think about the object, are not results but causes; they can motivate deeds which will bring fresh results." So I guess she means there are resultant cittas, all of which we have no control over and there are causal cittas which are causal because intention is there. Therefore over the causal cittas we do have control - how else would any transformation or purification occur?
A bodhisattva does not become weary of evil beings nor does he commit the error of bringing forth thoughts inclined to reject them and cast them aside. Avatamsaka Sutra, ch. 25

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Re: Kamma and its Ripening in the Abhidhamma

Postby Will » Wed Jan 21, 2009 5:34 pm

A bodhisattva does not become weary of evil beings nor does he commit the error of bringing forth thoughts inclined to reject them and cast them aside. Avatamsaka Sutra, ch. 25

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Re: Kamma and its Ripening in the Abhidhamma

Postby Karma Dondrup Tashi » Wed Jan 21, 2009 7:06 pm

Thank you Ven. Dhammanando.

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Re: Kamma and its Ripening in the Abhidhamma

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A bodhisattva does not become weary of evil beings nor does he commit the error of bringing forth thoughts inclined to reject them and cast them aside. Avatamsaka Sutra, ch. 25


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