uh......your logo, its Vajrayana
uh......your logo, its Vajrayana
This may not be important but the Dhamma wheel logo you are using is a distinctly Vajrayana one. See those 3 legs in the hub? That depicts the 3 turnings of the Dharma. You'll find cakras with this hub in Tibetan Buddhism but not in Theravada.
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well just because this is a theravadan forum doesn't mean we exclude other forms of budhism, plus it also means that each DhammaWheel sister site can have the same look i.e. we are all Buddhist.
but TheDhamma may have other reason for picking this particular wheel, although it does make me feel at home considerng it is similare to the symbol of my home.
but TheDhamma may have other reason for picking this particular wheel, although it does make me feel at home considerng it is similare to the symbol of my home.
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Interesting, I never noticed that or knew there was a difference between traditions. To me it still just looks like a Dhamma Wheel.
Over at Wikipedia, it is a little vague, but they say "The hub is for discipline, which is the essential core of meditation practice."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dharmacakra" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
But then below that they show a Tibetan Gankil which looks like the hub.
We chose that wheel because it looks nice and is a better looking design than most of the other images available that are not copyrighted.
We could see the three symbols as Buddha, Dhamma, Sangha. Problem solved.
Over at Wikipedia, it is a little vague, but they say "The hub is for discipline, which is the essential core of meditation practice."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dharmacakra" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
But then below that they show a Tibetan Gankil which looks like the hub.
We chose that wheel because it looks nice and is a better looking design than most of the other images available that are not copyrighted.
We could see the three symbols as Buddha, Dhamma, Sangha. Problem solved.
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It's all good.
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or Anicca, Anatta & Dukkha?TheDhamma wrote:
We could see the three symbols as Buddha, Dhamma, Sangha. Problem solved.
or he three aspects of the 8FP
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Manapa wrote: or Anicca, Anatta & Dukkha?
or the three aspects of the 8FP
I like.
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It looks like a Captain's Wheel to me. How would a wheel like that actually roll along the ground with the spokes sticking out?
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Re: uh......your logo, its Vajrayana
I guess to a modern "western" Buddhist, a Vajrayana wheel is no different from another. But over in the east, these symbols are recognised for what they are. Mind you, I'm not saying it should be changed or anything like that, just pointing out the differences.Bhikkhu Pesala wrote:It looks like a Captain's Wheel to me. How would a wheel like that actually roll along the ground with the spokes sticking out?
The wheel has of course evolved quite a bit. I think the earliest wheels have several spokes ( more than eight) which do not extend beyond the rim. The cakras on King Asoka's columns which was incorporated into the national flag of india had 24. The decorative extensions beyond the rim and 8 spokes came about later and was adopted by all schools. The vajrayana then added the three turnings in the hub and often added further decorative embellishments to it.
For the early wheel, see http://www.exoticindiaart.com/artimages ... eel_sm.jpg" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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Greetings,
Does anyone know if the 'wheel-treasure' was visually depicted in any of the suttas?
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Does anyone know if the 'wheel-treasure' was visually depicted in any of the suttas?
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I am not sure what you mean. Verbally described?retrofuturist wrote:Greetings,
Does anyone know if the 'wheel-treasure' was visually depicted in any of the suttas?
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Greetings Tilt,
I mean do they describe what it looks like. Apologies if my choice of words was a little misleading.
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I mean do they describe what it looks like. Apologies if my choice of words was a little misleading.
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Not that I have ever seen/read.
>> Do you see a man wise [enlightened/ariya] in his own eyes? There is more hope for a fool than for him.<< -- Proverbs 26:12
This being is bound to samsara, kamma is his means for going beyond. -- SN I, 38.
“Of course it is happening inside your head, Harry, but why on earth should that mean that it is not real?” HPatDH p.723
This being is bound to samsara, kamma is his means for going beyond. -- SN I, 38.
“Of course it is happening inside your head, Harry, but why on earth should that mean that it is not real?” HPatDH p.723
Re: uh......your logo, its Vajrayana
AFAIK, the suttas did not suggest any symbol for the Sasana. After the Buddha's passing, artwork which wanted to depict the Buddha used symbols such as the Bodhi tree, a footprint, stupa or an umbrella. The wheel was also initially used to represent the Buddha. Somewhere the line, perhaps after they had begun to use proper Buddha images, the wheel came to represent the Sasana. There's an informative article here http://www.exoticindiaart.com/article/buddhaimage" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;retrofuturist wrote:Greetings Tilt,
I mean do they describe what it looks like. Apologies if my choice of words was a little misleading.
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How about a water wheel? the spokes could be buckets?
I think that the path being refered to as the stream would lend to this but a captain wheel is also an option, although I don't know if there were such boats/ships in Inia at the time with a wheel?
but cart wheel (not the human variety ) is also a good option as it is a path
I think that the path being refered to as the stream would lend to this but a captain wheel is also an option, although I don't know if there were such boats/ships in Inia at the time with a wheel?
but cart wheel (not the human variety ) is also a good option as it is a path
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But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion …
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He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them.
But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion …
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He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them … he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.
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