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If you wanted to get to Nibbana ASAP how would you go about

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If you wanted to get to Nibbana ASAP how would you go about

Postby sundara » Thu Oct 08, 2009 4:39 am

If you wanted to get to Nibbana, how would you go about it, for a beginner, what texts would you read, from the net, because I'm so confused. I need a road map of the terrain to realize nibbana. I'd appreciate it friends.

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Re: If you wanted to get to Nibbana ASAP how would you go about

Postby David N. Snyder » Thu Oct 08, 2009 5:01 am

The Wings to Awakening is often described as a roadmap to Nibbana. It is the 37 factors of enlightenment.

Master those and Nibbana should be inevitable.

Which texts? I would start with the Nikayas, as much as you can. The five Nikayas are several volumes and several thousand pages. Bhikkhu Bodhi has an anthology, In the Buddha's Words, if you don't have time to read the whole Sutta Pitaka or the whole Tipitaka.
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Re: If you wanted to get to Nibbana ASAP how would you go about

Postby Jechbi » Thu Oct 08, 2009 6:13 am

Hi sundara,

I think your sense of urgency is inspiring, but asap? To be honest, step one is probably to slow down. If you make it in seven more lifetimes, you're doing great!

Step two is probably to put the notion of "getting to" Nibbana out of your mind completely. My understanding is that you can't think of it in those terms. Don't fixate on some imagined goal.

Step three is probably to shift your attention away from longing for the future and put it on this very moment, right now. Every time you start longing for some imagined Nibbana in the future, regard it as a gentle alarm bell to remind you to bring your attention back to the task at hand, whatever that might be.

For good reading, here's a link to the resource David recommended: http://www.accesstoinsight.org/lib/auth ... index.html

Just my 2 cents. Others may have better advice. Thanks for your efforts!

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Re: If you wanted to get to Nibbana ASAP how would you go about

Postby sundara » Thu Oct 08, 2009 6:21 am

What texts do you recommend me to read from the web site, what the Buddha Taught? That's a good web site with juicy texts.

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Re: If you wanted to get to Nibbana ASAP how would you go about

Postby rowyourboat » Fri Oct 09, 2009 6:27 am

Dear Sundara

First when you feel strong energy like this it means that you see the importance of this goal, have purpose and faith. It will take you far. However it needs to be tempered to a more sustained flow of energy towards the goal. It is important to know that too much energy can just lead to frustration. Compared to laziness it is a good sign, but nevertheless take care ...! :smile: The Buddha said that this is a gradual path, and it is. The mind cannot be forced into nibbana- the brain cells take time to adapt to the changes -so be kind to them!

Set up a daily practice of meditation- you will get nowhere without this- this is the most important thing you can do to reach the goal
review and contemplate your precepts- keep them. This will take you far.
Simplify your life a bit to give you space to practice and be mindful
Read and get to know the dhamma- seek out teachers who maybe able to guide you -find good ones-discuss-this develops the road map and right view

Get down to the work of developing samatha and vipassana.

Samatha- find any instructions you can -ajhan brahms book is likely to be good -mindfulness bliss and beyond-mindfulness in plain english by Bhanthe Gunerathana even though is not completely samatha, is also good. There maybe many others.

Vipassana- stick to this and you cannot veer off far

The Buddha has said that samatha and vipassana are like the two wheels of the chariot of the noble eightfold path.

http://www.accesstoinsight.org/lib/auth ... gress.html

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Re: If you wanted to get to Nibbana ASAP how would you go about

Postby Individual » Fri Oct 23, 2009 4:14 am

Not sure if it's accurate to describe Nibbana as a place or condition.
The best things in life aren't things.


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Re: If you wanted to get to Nibbana ASAP how would you go about

Postby Dugu » Fri Oct 23, 2009 8:18 am

Noble Eight-Fold Path..

if you want it asap, run instead of walk.

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Re: If you wanted to get to Nibbana ASAP how would you go about

Postby Bhikkhu Pesala » Fri Oct 23, 2009 9:28 am

When you see, just know that you see it. When you hear, just know that you hear it. When you cognise something, just know that you know it.

The above advice was given to , the disciple who gained Arahantship quicker than any other disciple of the Buddha. The same advice was given to , a bhikkhu who went forth at the age of eighty, who asked for instructions in brief.

To attain nibbāna practise insight meditation diligently.
• • • • (Upasampadā: 24th June, 1979)

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Re: If you wanted to get to Nibbana ASAP how would you go about

Postby Guy » Fri Oct 23, 2009 9:31 am

Hi Sundara,

I have been thinking a lot about ordaining lately. Even though I am making a small amount of progress on the path as a layman I believe it would be more conducive if I ordained.

My opinion is that those who are truly serious about practicing Dhamma will naturally give ordination consideration if they have no wife/husband, dependants or debts. On the other hand, a self-disciplined lay person can reach Anagami (the 3rd stage of Enlightenment) according to the Suttas.

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Re: If you wanted to get to Nibbana ASAP how would you go about

Postby vinasp » Fri Oct 23, 2009 12:10 pm

Hi sundara,

Enlightenment is really very simple. It is about seeing that there is no self. Buddhist teachings have become so complicated that they are now more of a hindrance than a help.

Best wishes, Vincent.

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Re: If you wanted to get to Nibbana ASAP how would you go about

Postby Guy » Fri Oct 23, 2009 2:45 pm

Hi Vinasp,

Did the Buddha ever teach that there is no self? Where is this referenced in the Suttas?

I could be wrong, but as far as I am aware the Buddha taught what is not self (the five aggregates), not whether or not there is a self.



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Four types of letting go:

1) Giving; expecting nothing back in return
2) Throwing things away
3) Contentment; wanting to be here, not wanting to be anywhere else
4) "Teflon Mind"; having a mind which doesn't accumulate things

- Ajahn Brahm

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Re: If you wanted to get to Nibbana ASAP how would you go about

Postby vinasp » Fri Oct 23, 2009 6:06 pm

Hi Guy,

Did the Buddha teach no-self, or did he just say that there was no self in the five aggregates.

Dhammapada verses 277, 278 and 279.
All mentally constructed things are impermanent (sabbe samkhara anicca).
All mentally constructed things are suffering (sabbe samkhara dukkha).
All things are not-self ( sabbe dhamma anatta).

"Again, Ananda, when asked by the Wanderer : "Is there a self?" had I replied that there is, would my reply be in accordance with the knowledge that all things are not-self?" "Surely not, Lord". PTS Kindred Sayings IV page 282.

The usual teaching method is to point out that nothing in our experience is a self or is related to a self. This is to show that self is just a concept. In fact, a mis-conception. A grammatical mistake, taking an indexical to be an actual thing.

Best wishes, Vincent.

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Re: If you wanted to get to Nibbana ASAP how would you go about

Postby Karma Dondrup Tashi » Fri Oct 23, 2009 6:49 pm

"Just keep watching samsara"?

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Re: If you wanted to get to Nibbana ASAP how would you go about

Postby Guy » Sat Oct 24, 2009 1:12 am

Thanks Vinasp. :smile:
Four types of letting go:

1) Giving; expecting nothing back in return
2) Throwing things away
3) Contentment; wanting to be here, not wanting to be anywhere else
4) "Teflon Mind"; having a mind which doesn't accumulate things

- Ajahn Brahm

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Re: If you wanted to get to Nibbana ASAP how would you go about

Postby sundara » Sun Oct 25, 2009 3:40 am

What does mental constructs mean or conditioned things mean?

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Re: If you wanted to get to Nibbana ASAP how would you go about

Postby acinteyyo » Sun Oct 25, 2009 10:50 am

Thag 1.20. Ajita - I do not fear death; nor do I long for life. I’ll lay down this body, aware and mindful.

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