MN Session 1 - MN 26. Ariyapariyesanā Sutta

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MN Session 1 - MN 26. Ariyapariyesanā Sutta

Postby retrofuturist » Wed Jan 21, 2009 2:45 am

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MN 26. Ariyapariyesanā Sutta
http://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka ... .than.html

This is Thanissaro Bhikkhu's translation. Feel free to use this or another translation, particularly as a comparative analysis of different translations may be worthwhile in itself.

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Re: MN Session 1 - MN 26. Ariyapariyesanā Sutta

Postby Ben » Wed Jan 21, 2009 3:25 am

Hi all

Here's Venerable Bodhi's lecture:

M0001_MN-026: 2003.01.14
MN 26: Ariyapariyesanā Sutta — The Noble Search
(through paragraph 18)

http://www.bodhimonastery.net/courses/M ... MN-026.mp3

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Re: MN Session 1 - MN 26. Ariyapariyesanā Sutta

Postby jcsuperstar » Wed Jan 21, 2009 3:33 am

i have a few questions...
Alara Kalama taught the Buddha the dimension of nothingness
and Uddaka Ramaputta taught the Buddha the dimension of neither perception nor non-perception

are these jhanas?
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Re: MN Session 1 - MN 26. Ariyapariyesanā Sutta

Postby David N. Snyder » Wed Jan 21, 2009 3:36 am

Yes and no. They are sometimes considered or counted as the '7th' and '8th' jhanas, but are actually part of the formless realms. The jhanas are the first four material states and to follow them are the four formless states or realms and then 'cessation.'
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Re: MN Session 1 - MN 26. Ariyapariyesanā Sutta

Postby mikenz66 » Wed Jan 21, 2009 3:56 am

, by Sharda Rogell
PDF here: http://www.dharma.org/bcbs/Pages/publications.html

26 Ariyapariyesanā Sutta The Noble Search

SUMMARY

The Buddha gives the bhikkhus a long account of his own quest for
enlightenment from the time of his life in the palace through to his transmission
of the Dharma to his first five disciples.

NOTES (Nanamoli/Bodhi Paragraphs)
An important PASSAGE [5-12] where the Buddha describes the search by one
who is subject to birth, aging, sickness, death, sorrow, and defilements, for
objects of attachment (examples are listed in the text) that are subject to the
same conditions. He is essentially saying, if I am subject to birth, aging, sickness
and death, why should I seek that which is the same? He names this the ignoble
search. Then he describes the noble search, which seeks the unborn, the
unaging, the unailing, the deathless, the sorrowless, the undefiled supreme
security from bondage, Nibbāna. Later, he equates Nibbāna with the stilling of
all formations, the relinquishment of all attachments, and the destruction of
craving [19].

In [19] the Buddha muses over why he thinks no one will understand the
profundity of the Dharma. In [20] is Brahmā Sahampati’s passionate plea to the
Buddha to teach rather than remain silent. [Ed: Note that Uruvelā is the ancient
name for Bodh Gaya, the place where the Buddha was enlightened.]

The last section on the eight attainments [3442]
is repeated in MN25.

[Ed: At this point in the text, we start to see three primary themes making
repeated appearances: the dangers of sensual pleasures, the danger of things
because they are subject to impermanence (birth and death), and the place of
the eight attainments.]

PRACTICE
1. Reflect on the things you tend to search for in your life. How many of them
would count as objects of an ignoble search? How many would be noble?
Reflect on how the noble search turns us away from the world and toward the
spiritual.
2. Reflect on what your life would be like now had the Buddha
remained silent and Buddhadharma had not been born into this world. If
gratitude arises, allow it to expand throughout your whole body.
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Re: MN Session 1 - MN 26. Ariyapariyesanā Sutta

Postby mikenz66 » Wed Jan 21, 2009 4:14 am

Another talk on this Sutta:

Bhante Vimalaramsi
http://www.dhammasukha.org/Study/mn-1.htm

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Re: MN Session 1 - MN 26. Ariyapariyesanā Sutta

Postby Will » Wed Jan 21, 2009 5:24 am

There is also Bhikkhu Bodhi's own translation in his published book.
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A bodhisattva does not become weary of evil beings nor does he commit the error of bringing forth thoughts inclined to reject them and cast them aside. Avatamsaka Sutra, ch. 25

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Re: MN Session 1 - MN 26. Ariyapariyesanā Sutta

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Re: MN Session 1 - MN 26. Ariyapariyesanā Sutta

Postby retrofuturist » Wed Jan 21, 2009 8:21 am

"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

"To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead" - Thomas Paine

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Re: MN Session 1 - MN 26. Ariyapariyesanā Sutta

Postby Ben » Wed Jan 21, 2009 12:31 pm

“No lists of things to be done. The day providential to itself. The hour. There is no later. This is later. All things of grace and beauty such that one holds them to one's heart have a common provenance in pain. Their birth in grief and ashes.”
- Cormac McCarthy, The Road

Learn this from the waters:
in mountain clefts and chasms,
loud gush the streamlets,
but great rivers flow silently.
- Sutta Nipata 3.725

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Re: MN Session 1 - MN 26. Ariyapariyesanā Sutta

Postby Will » Wed Jan 21, 2009 3:40 pm

A bodhisattva does not become weary of evil beings nor does he commit the error of bringing forth thoughts inclined to reject them and cast them aside. Avatamsaka Sutra, ch. 25

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Re: MN Session 1 - MN 26. Ariyapariyesanā Sutta

Postby clw_uk » Wed Jan 21, 2009 6:33 pm

My take on it is that gold and silver etc are subject to birth, aging and death because attachment to them can bring this about?
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Re: MN Session 1 - MN 26. Ariyapariyesanā Sutta

Postby Will » Wed Jan 21, 2009 7:01 pm

A bodhisattva does not become weary of evil beings nor does he commit the error of bringing forth thoughts inclined to reject them and cast them aside. Avatamsaka Sutra, ch. 25

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Re: MN Session 1 - MN 26. Ariyapariyesanā Sutta

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Re: MN Session 1 - MN 26. Ariyapariyesanā Sutta

Postby retrofuturist » Wed Jan 21, 2009 10:17 pm

"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

"To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead" - Thomas Paine

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Re: MN Session 1 - MN 26. Ariyapariyesanā Sutta

Postby Ben » Wed Jan 21, 2009 10:56 pm

“No lists of things to be done. The day providential to itself. The hour. There is no later. This is later. All things of grace and beauty such that one holds them to one's heart have a common provenance in pain. Their birth in grief and ashes.”
- Cormac McCarthy, The Road

Learn this from the waters:
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Re: MN Session 1 - MN 26. Ariyapariyesanā Sutta

Postby retrofuturist » Wed Jan 21, 2009 11:16 pm

"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

"To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead" - Thomas Paine

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Re: MN Session 1 - MN 26. Ariyapariyesanā Sutta

Postby Ben » Wed Jan 21, 2009 11:19 pm

Thanks for that, I didn't see Jechi's note above.

I don't know. Perhaps someone who is familiar with the textual history of the Tipitaka can explain.
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“No lists of things to be done. The day providential to itself. The hour. There is no later. This is later. All things of grace and beauty such that one holds them to one's heart have a common provenance in pain. Their birth in grief and ashes.”
- Cormac McCarthy, The Road

Learn this from the waters:
in mountain clefts and chasms,
loud gush the streamlets,
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- Sutta Nipata 3.725

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Re: MN Session 1 - MN 26. Ariyapariyesanā Sutta

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