adamposey wrote:What SHOULD I be reading and will these texts in themselves help me with my practice?

What SHOULD I be reading and will these texts in themselves help me with my practice?
My second area of confusion, and I've asked a lot of questions on the topic here, is vipassana.
Is there a practice to Theravada that I'm not aware of, or is it really just as simple as attempting to follow the path?
Ben wrote:Hi Adam
What worked for me for many years were the works of modern-day scholars such as Nyanaponika Thera, Bhikkhu Bodhi, etc, One book that I returned to recently which is a classic, is The heart of Buddhist Meditation by Nyanaponika Thera.
It wasn't after many years of practice that I approached the Tipitaka and the commentaries themselves. The Tipitaka itself is vast. One estimation I have heard put it at 30,000 pages. In recent years, Bhikkhu Bodhi has made the Tipitaka more accessible, so if you are particularly drawn to exploring the Tipitaka, then if you do so under the structure of his Majjhima Nikaya lecture series (made available via the Bodhi Monastery website), it will be of great benefit.
Your description of vipassana meditation isn't one that I am familiar with. I'm not sure how you have learned vipassana, but I recommend that you look at a residential retreat of vipassana meditation. I think this will sort out all of your problems you presented here. I think it will give you a particular 'practice' context in which to view and assess the post-canonical and canonical literature. After a retreat, you'll be naturally drawn to literature that will support your practice. Having taken a retreat, you will have gained supervised instruction and some depth of experience.
The answer you get to this will be different coming from different people. The tradition in which I practice is very light on the ritual. My practice is really following the precepts, twice daily meditation, study, dana and selfless service.. Other practitioners will be more or less 'elaborate'.
I hope that helps.
metta
Ben
pink_trike wrote:Hi Adam,
You won't find what you're likely really looking by searching for the "definitive Buddhism 101". First, it doesn't exist and secondly, what you're likely looking for you wouldn't find there anyway even if it did exist. What you're likely looking for has to be found inside of you...it's a personal journey, not a workshop or college track. The suttas and all the commentary are simply guides, just like Lonely Planet publishes guides for traveling all over the world. I'd recommend finding a teacher and starting at the beginning. A good teacher will facilitate your inward journey, but you're the captain...and where your rowboat arrives is where you steer it.
You might consider a retreat here:
http://www.bhavanasociety.org/
This is Bhante Henepola Gunaratana's center
...and his book:
http://www.amazon.com/Mindfulness-Plain ... 977&sr=8-1
... is one of the best starter guides available...and like it says, it's in plain English.
It's your journey...take hold of the rudder and start rowing.
Unfortunately, our monastic community is too busy preparing and leading scheduled retreats here, our abbot request is if you want to learn Vipassana meditation from a monastic at our center, you should register for a retreat and not burden our small monastic community with a separate teaching agenda.
adamposey wrote:pink_trike wrote:Hi Adam,
You won't find what you're likely really looking by searching for the "definitive Buddhism 101". First, it doesn't exist and secondly, what you're likely looking for you wouldn't find there anyway even if it did exist. What you're likely looking for has to be found inside of you...it's a personal journey, not a workshop or college track. The suttas and all the commentary are simply guides, just like Lonely Planet publishes guides for traveling all over the world. I'd recommend finding a teacher and starting at the beginning. A good teacher will facilitate your inward journey, but you're the captain...and where your rowboat arrives is where you steer it.
You might consider a retreat here:
http://www.bhavanasociety.org/
This is Bhante Henepola Gunaratana's center
...and his book:
http://www.amazon.com/Mindfulness-Plain ... 977&sr=8-1
... is one of the best starter guides available...and like it says, it's in plain English.
It's your journey...take hold of the rudder and start rowing.
One of the greatest frustrations I've experienced at starting has been due to Bhavana Society. Here is my situation with them. They are close, but not THAT close, about 2 hours driving from where I am. Not terrible for such a highly esteemed society to be so close to me. I like this. I believe the idea of a retreat is where I seriously begin to run into trouble, partially because, yes, I'm clinging.
A retreat would force me to do two things if I did it according to their schedule. I would have to leave work, and my classes, for the entirety of the retreat. I'm currently working two jobs to keep up on my bills, and double majoring at my college, suffice to say.. I keep busy. On deeper reflection this is probably why I want structure to my practice because so much of my life is just.. very much at the hands of others right now. I could drop all of that and just go, but I predict the damage to my life when I came back from retreat could be quite noteworthy.
The easy answer to that would be for me to go during the summer months when I don't have classes and I have vacation hours to take at work. Unfortunately therein is where my frustrations begin. There are no beginner's meditation retreats offered during those months, and when I sent an email asking if I could just come on my own I was told.. I'll just let you read the exact text I received:Unfortunately, our monastic community is too busy preparing and leading scheduled retreats here, our abbot request is if you want to learn Vipassana meditation from a monastic at our center, you should register for a retreat and not burden our small monastic community with a separate teaching agenda.
That was a very disheartening answer for me, but I understand exactly what she means when she says that. I don't want to be rude and ask them to teach me privately if they simply don't have time for it.
So.. it feels like Gordian's knot situation.
adamposey wrote:I haven't really found or been told of just one set of documents that I can go to for the original discourses of the buddha, etc.,... It feels as though there is a piece missing. What SHOULD I be reading and will these texts in themselves help me with my practice?
adamposey wrote:The last confusion I have is one of relativity. I am both thankful and kind of lost at the lack of ritual in theravada. This may be where my ignorance shows....I want to be clear that I understand these rituals and practices are just trappings if they're all you do and focus on, but I particularly feel like in my case I'm a little too "free flowing" and that makes it very easy for me to "go off the rails" and lose track of my mindfulness or even just let my entire day go off the rails. Is there a practice to Theravada that I'm not aware of, or is it really just as simple as attempting to follow the path?
IanAnd wrote:Hello Adam,
First things first, here. Just what is it that attracted you to Buddhism, and Theravada in particular? If you are able to answer that question in your mind, perhaps you will begin to quell your confusion.
Also, Walpola Rahula's classic What the Buddha Taught is an excellent introduction to the essential elements of the teaching. If you are a conscientious and mindful reader, it will answer many of your questions.
The path and the practice are, more or less, one in the same. The Path is the Noble Eightfold Path. And the practice is one of cultivation of the mind using meditation to develop calm (concentration) and clear seeing (insight) so that one might be able to see the reality that the Dhamma teaches.
One of the Ten Fetters of Existence that the Buddha taught was the fetter of "clinging to ritual." He taught that clinging to rites and rituals would not take one beyond aging and death, and that therefore one should not cling to either.
It is not easy to develop mindfulness to the extent that the Buddha recommended. So, yes, the practice of Theravada is "just as simple as attempting to follow the Path" (i.e. Noble Eightfold Path).
In peace,
Ian
adamposey wrote:Also, Walpola Rahula's classic What the Buddha Taught is an excellent introduction to the essential elements of the teaching. If you are a conscientious and mindful reader, it will answer many of your questions.
I know this seems a dull question.. how does one read mindfully? What does it mean to read mindfully?
jcsuperstar wrote:here's an amazon list of theravada books i made that might help
http://www.amazon.com/recomended-Theravada-books-for-newbies/lm/R283ILSR3KXA6X/ref=cm_srch_res_rpli_alt_4
adamposey wrote:I also don't want to suggest that I'm asking for a ritual to cling to. I suppose rather a bowling analogy would be best... I see ritual as being a risk but that it could also help to "keep one in bounds" if you will. Similar to how those bumpers at a bowling alley prevent the ball from falling into the gutter and keep it on track to hit the pins.
pink_trike wrote:Sounds like information overload - it's a dis-ease of modern culture. So much to read. So much to talk about. You could go a a whole life time just talking and reading...
When I stepped onto the path, teachers advocated PRACTICE. Study came later...usually much later. After a student had settled into a committed practice, then sutras were generally given to them one at a time...one sutra was studied for an extended period of time, while continuing with a committed practice...before another sutra was introduced.
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adamposey wrote:I've decided that I'm simply not in a position to study and practice entirely on my own. My confidence in my ability to gleam, from texts, the knowledge that I need to truly begin practicing well is not much. So, I've signed up for a beginner's meditation retreat next year: April 15, 2010 at Bhavana Society (which is a couple hours from here.)

pink_trike wrote:adamposey wrote:I've decided that I'm simply not in a position to study and practice entirely on my own. My confidence in my ability to gleam, from texts, the knowledge that I need to truly begin practicing well is not much. So, I've signed up for a beginner's meditation retreat next year: April 15, 2010 at Bhavana Society (which is a couple hours from here.)
Good decision. They'll get you set squarely on the path.
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