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Moral decline in the west

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Moral decline in the west

Postby Individual » Thu Oct 29, 2009 9:13 pm

Along with the various school shootings, two recent news stories in the news make me think there's an overall decline in morality in the west:

10 kids set another kid on fire, over a videogame debt:
http://www.miamiherald.com/news/broward ... 81802.html

Richmond High gang-rape (on school property):
http://www.mercurynews.com/ci_13669485? ... ck_check=1

If you look into the details of the second story, there's more startling details: Although only 4 were charged with rape, they say that the girl was attacked by at least a dozen people and at least two dozen more knew what was going on but didn't contact the police.

And if this doesn't shock you, what about this video of 50-60 high school students, who conspire to vandalize and rob a convenience store:
http://www.snewzbutton.com/2009/10/enti ... hild-riot/

Although I'm only 25, it's hard for me to picture this sort of thing happening decades ago.

With these anecdotal examples in mind...

Do you see an overall moral decline in the west and if so, what can Buddhists do about it?
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Re: Moral decline in the west

Postby adosa » Thu Oct 29, 2009 10:25 pm

And yet we have more "riches" than ever before.

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Re: Moral decline in the west

Postby pink_trike » Thu Oct 29, 2009 11:36 pm

It's not just the West...it's the whole world. It's just that time again.
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Re: Moral decline in the west

Postby Guy » Thu Oct 29, 2009 11:43 pm

Hi Individual,

It is sad that these kind of things happen but this is Samsara, these things happen. My personal opinion is that there is very little we can do to change the values and behaviour of 6 billion people. What we can do is work on our own mental, verbal and bodily conduct and hopefully serve as an example to others. Even if we were Arahants the world would still continue to go it's own way - the ver best thing we can do is to get out of it's way.

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Re: Moral decline in the west

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Though one may conquer a thousand times a thousand men in battle, yet he is indeed the noblest victor who conquers himself. ---Dhp 103

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Re: Moral decline in the west

Postby poto » Fri Oct 30, 2009 3:56 am

These types of violent crimes have always happened. It's only in recent years that the media has increasingly reported them, making them seem more frequent. The reality is violent crime here in America has been dropping for most of the last 2 decades.

Interesting and somewhat related article:
http://reason.com/archives/2009/10/19/w ... felons-now

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Postby pink_trike » Fri Oct 30, 2009 4:23 am

There is a natural rhythm to the world that isn't linear...it is more like a pulse or breathing:

rise, peak, pause, decline, peak, pause...repeat, over and over and over.

This was widely known as "the endless cycles of cycles" or "the cycles of time" in the ancient eastern world, and it was known in the ancient western hemisphere as "the burden of time". This pulse governs the recurring rising and falling in varying degrees of the entire phenomenal world, endlessly.

We're seeing decline and deterioration across the board - ecosystem, climate (not just Planet Earth), oceans, morals, economy, species, mental function, health, Earth's magnetic field and shield, etc... The entirety of the ancient world were aware of these endless periods of rise and decline. In our linear, ever-forward world we get freaked out by the decline part of the cycles and start pointing fingers and blaming - but it's just time for decline/deterioration again...and as a civilization we're clueless, lost, and unprepared to deal with it. As individuals we're unprepared and clueless how to deal with decline and deterioration of the microcosmic ecosystem that we know of as body, and we don't recognize the same pattern that takes place in the midstream because very few of us are trained to even look at the mind.

Geologists and climatologists are the most aware of these periods of decline of stability but our modern compartmentalized culture has made it taboo for them to connect the dots found in the geological records with patterns in history or any field of inquiry outside of their own - or in the collective mind. Ancient cultures advocated repose during periods of decline in order to minimize damage, and then fostered inspired activity during periods of regeneration...living with the cycles instead of outside of them and more at risk. Surrendering whims of the minds and living with and within the boundaries and cycles of time/space was considered to be a liberation from the constant grinding and scraping that comes from living outside of them, unaware of them, and being endlessly at their effect.
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Re: Moral decline in the west

Postby BlackBird » Fri Oct 30, 2009 8:25 am

"For a disciple who has conviction in the Teacher's message & lives to penetrate it, what accords with the Dhamma is this:
'The Blessed One is the Teacher, I am a disciple. He is the one who knows, not I." -

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Re: Moral decline in the west

Postby enkidu » Fri Oct 30, 2009 12:56 pm

At the risk of being trite, "Samsara is suffering."

Whenever I notice that I am expressing disappointment over world events, I try to remind myself that this is a subtle expression of my attachment to Samsara; that it indicates that I do not have conviction in the suffering nature of Samsara and its causes.

Clinging to expectations about the conduct of Samsaric beings does not lead me to develop compassion for them and indicates that I do not hold Samsaric beings as motivated by the three poisons. It indicates that I believe lasting happiness and uninterrupted peace can and should be found in Samsara, and that non-suffering results should somehow arise from suffering causes.

So the lemons into lemonade here for me is to view atrocity and so on as indications of the suffering nature of Samsara and as strong motivation to practice in order to cease its causes.

Though, I have great difficulty.

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