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Kamma and its Ripening in the Abhidhamma

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Greetings Element,

Which is all fine and well... but remember that this is the Abhidhamma forum for "discussion of Abhidhamma and related Commentaries", not for views we have on the Dhamma which might conflict with those sources of teachings.

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A bodhisattva does not become weary of evil beings nor does he commit the error of bringing forth thoughts inclined to reject them and cast them aside. Avatamsaka Sutra, ch. 25

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Re: Kamma and its Ripening in the Abhidhamma

Postby mikenz66 » Fri Jan 23, 2009 7:53 am

Hi Jechbi,

You might think of it like a single-processor computer. It appears to be doing many things by doing things in quick succession. Each citta is conditioned by previous cittas, just as each operation in the computer is conditioned by previous operations.

[Slightly off topic: I understand some other Buddhist schools, and possibly Abhidharmas, have multiple cittas arising simultaneously. Useful to know if you are having a discussion with non-Theravada Buddhists.]

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Postby mikenz66 » Tue Jan 27, 2009 9:04 am

Greetings Robert,

Thank you for your post. I'm afraid I may still be confused. Can I understand you to be saying that it was a result of Angulimala's kamma ripening in his mind-stream that he walked into the path of the stones, etc?

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Hi Robert,

Thank you for the reply. I do understand that the complexity makes it pointless to speculate in particular cases, but what I was interested in clarifying was whether I should understand kamma to only affect the mindstream that performs it. I think you are answering in the affirmative.

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Re: Kamma and its Ripening in the Abhidhamma

Postby Jechbi » Tue Jan 27, 2009 4:41 pm

Hello Mike,

This answer from Ven. Dhammanando is so precise and on target that I'm reluctant to post what I have been thinking, because it doesn't add much. But here goes:

Seems to me that all the external stuff (throwing rocks, etc.) could stem from all kinds of different conditions, and we're all going to face those types of circumstances as long as we're bound to samsara. So there's probably not much point wondering why bad things happen to good people. It's just life.

But the point is that in the moment those things are happening that we perceive as "bad," we have an internal experience, followed by a reaction that usually is so quick we don't even notice the connection. But that reaction is our own, and it is possible to react from wisdom rather than from ignorance. So when the Buddha told Angulimala to bear with it, I think he was speaking to Angulimala's method of reacting to vipaka. Whereas previously, Angulimala might have reacted to that "bad" situation by killing the rock-thrower and chopping off his finger, now Angulimala could react with metta.

But the notion of kamma still works fully well. It just means that kamma and external circumstances might not be bound together in the way we sometimes think they are. That's my understanding, any way.

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