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About the fifth Śīla

Buddhist ethical conduct including the Five Precepts (Pañcasikkhāpada), and Eightfold Ethical Conduct (Aṭṭhasīla).
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Re: About the fifth Śīla

Postby Individual » Tue Nov 03, 2009 9:38 am

The best things in life aren't things.


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Re: About the fifth Śīla

Postby adosa » Wed Nov 04, 2009 12:04 am

Something bothers me about the view that you are not a Buddhist if you break a precept. First of all, it seems rather provincial to me. Secondly wouldn't be best not to carry that label around? Isn't that a view of Self in and of itself?

Of course intoxicants are to be avoided. Clarity is the key to seeing the reality of the world. The issue comes when one finds the teachings of the Buddha at a time when they have already developed an attachment to said intoxicants. How can we expect perfect sila on this issue and yet, anyone who watches their own mind and habits realize that just dropping attachments isn't that easy. It takes time. Any sense desire is dangerous. So we kick out anyone who approaches the Dhamma with an attachment to intoxicants but let everyone else in who has yet to reach sustained purity and detachment? Where's the compassion in this view?

Ajahn Chah has a more balanced perspective. I'm paraphrasing but he says something like "If you are attached to these things just use them less of them, and less often, than you did before. In time you will let them go."

This thread reminds me of the Elephant and the Blind Men. I see all interpretation here so who really knows. That's up to the individual to hash out.

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"To avoid all evil, to cultivate good, and to cleanse one's mind — this is the teaching of the Buddhas" - Dhammapada 183

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Re: About the fifth Śīla

Postby jcsuperstar » Wed Nov 04, 2009 3:12 am

to be a buddhist one only need take refuge
สัพเพ สัตตา สุขีตา โหนตุ

the mountain may be heavy in and of itself, but if you're not trying to carry it it's not heavy to you- Ajaan Suwat

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Re: About the fifth Śīla

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Re: About the fifth Śīla

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Re: About the fifth Śīla

Postby Sanghamitta » Wed Nov 04, 2009 8:24 am

The actual wording of the precepts in most translations say " I undertake the rule of training to........" Its a process. not a one-off vow. However as Mike indicates its a process that implies a serious commitment.
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Re: About the fifth Śīla

Postby Dan74 » Wed Nov 04, 2009 9:43 am

And a wise rule of training it is for all of us still in training!

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