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Bhikkhuni Ordination performed - by Ajahn Brahmavamso

Discussion of ordination, the Vinaya and monastic life. How and where to ordain? Bhikkhuni ordination etc.
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Postby gavesako » Wed Nov 04, 2009 12:27 pm

If people want to talk about Schism in the Pali Vinaya, they could start with some suggestions here:

http://mulesika.googlepages.com/schismi ... arabstract
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Postby pilgrim » Wed Nov 04, 2009 12:33 pm

While I support the bhikkhuni ordination, I can't help but be dissapointed at the turn of events. Why didn't Ajahn Brahm wait until this matter was discussed at the WAM in December? Did Wat Pah Pong advise AB that this punitive action is a possible consequence? I'm aware that we do not know the whole story but it seems that the current situation could be avoided.

I also do not appreciate the way Sujato's blog (Nov 3rd entry) was written. Although he clearly supports AB, there was no need to portray the disagreeing monks as though they are all ignorant jerks especially in a public blog.

All in all, a major dissapointment. Even though I continue to support AB, Ajahn Sujato and the Bhikkhuni sangha, the joy in doing so is measurably less.

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Postby cooran » Wed Nov 04, 2009 7:58 pm

Hello David, Mike, all,

If it was on the Agenda for the December meeting, it ought to have been left until then. Thank you Mike for keeping us all abreast of developments in this matter.

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Postby tiltbillings » Wed Nov 04, 2009 8:35 pm

As a matter of Thai civil law it was - and maybe still is - against the law in Thailand to ordain women. If it is, it probably is necessary for a Thai organization to disassociate oneself from something illegal, even if done in another country.

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Kiṃkusalagavesī anuttaraṃ santivarapadaṃ pariyesamāno... (MN 26)

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Postby mikenz66 » Wed Nov 04, 2009 9:12 pm

Dear Ven Gavesako,

Thank you for your contributions and clarifications. I know that this must be a difficult time and I sincerely wish you and the other monastics associated with Ajahn Chah well for the future.

Metta :heart:
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Postby Dan74 » Wed Nov 04, 2009 10:49 pm

I wonder if amidst all the technicalities, politics and maneuvering, the simple question of whether or not this is going to help promote the Dhamma among women, has been addressed (by the "opposition")?

Clearly the Sangha are the torch-bearers of the Dhamma, the guardians of the spirit and the letter. Having a (largely) male Theravada Sangha limits the appeal of the Dhamma in the modern world, both for women and men, I think.

And I feel that having fully ordained Theravada bhikkhunis will help address this imbalance and inspire thousands of women across the world.

I remember when we had Ajahn Thanasanti come and talk. What an amazing talk directly from experience, and what an inspirational woman! Many of us were moved deeply and I am certain a seed was planted in many of us in the audience.

I hope the new bhikkhunis are inspired by this ordination and further inspire thousands!

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