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Do monks vote?

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Do monks vote?

Postby Dugu » Thu Nov 05, 2009 2:01 am

Do monks follow politics? And do they vote? If not, should they? If no, should we?

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Re: Do monks vote?

Postby adamposey » Thu Nov 05, 2009 2:08 am

It really depends. I find that voting does inspire you to take ownership of the ideas you voted for, which they would probably consider a form of clinging.

I honestly think that monks are more likely to be actual non-voting activists than to be voters.

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Re: Do monks vote?

Postby Guy » Thu Nov 05, 2009 3:16 am

Hi Dugu,

In Australia it is compulsory for people over 18 to vote but I know that none of the bhikkhus or bhikkhunis here vote, I assume it would be the same for other countries too. My understanding is that their training is aimed at leaving the world, so why would they want anything to do with trying to control the world (eg. politics). The best person to ask about this would be a monk.

Personally I "donkey" vote which is a legal way of not supporting any political party in Australia, ideally I would like to opt out of even turning up at the booths.

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Re: Do monks vote?

Postby retrofuturist » Thu Nov 05, 2009 3:26 am

Greetings Guy,

Do you know if they are legally excempt from it on religious grounds?

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Re: Do monks vote?

Postby Guy » Thu Nov 05, 2009 3:49 am

Four types of letting go:

1) Giving; expecting nothing back in return
2) Throwing things away
3) Contentment; wanting to be here, not wanting to be anywhere else
4) "Teflon Mind"; having a mind which doesn't accumulate things

- Ajahn Brahm

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Re: Do monks vote?

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Re: Do monks vote?

Postby jcsuperstar » Thu Nov 05, 2009 6:55 am

i only know thai monks cant vote.
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Re: Do monks vote?

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The best things in life aren't things.


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The best things in life aren't things.


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Re: Do monks vote?

Postby retrofuturist » Thu Nov 05, 2009 7:56 am

"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

"To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead" - Thomas Paine

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Re: Do monks vote?

Postby PeterB » Thu Nov 05, 2009 8:07 am

So people are forced by law to turn up ? That seems to me to be the antithesis of democracy, which must include the right to opt out altogether if it means anything. Similar discussions have happened here in the UK after each of the most recent elections have seen a poor turn out. It has never progressed though because of an awareness that if you try to make Brits do things by compulsion it invariably backfires and you would have mass protests and even fewer turning up. The idea that voting should be made compulsory in Scotland is particularly droll.... :smile: That would definately bring out the blue face paint...
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Re: Do monks vote?

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Re: Do monks vote?

Postby retrofuturist » Thu Nov 05, 2009 9:29 am

"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

"To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead" - Thomas Paine

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Re: Do monks vote?

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Re: Do monks vote?

Postby retrofuturist » Thu Nov 05, 2009 9:39 am

Greetings Dugu,

I can't remember us passing that law... I can't remember it ever being any different.

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"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

"To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead" - Thomas Paine

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Re: Do monks vote?

Postby David N. Snyder » Thu Nov 05, 2009 3:42 pm

In the U.S. only about 50% of those registered actually vote. And only about 50% of those who are eligible to register actually do so (18 years old or greater).

That makes the turnout roughly 25%. And that is for presidential and national elections! For state and local elections, the turnout is much lower. (The 2008 election of Obama I think was an exception and the turnout was a little higher.)

In regard to monks voting, I think it is an individual preference and there is no specific Vinaya rule against it. I think it could be a skillful means for choosing someone who exemplifies compassion, kindness, fairness, and equanimity.

For example, if there were two candidates running for president and one openly called for bombing another country on flimsy evidence at best and the other candidate was opposed, then voting for the anti-war candidate could help promote the Buddhist compassionate ideals. In most cases, the choice is not that clear, but when it is, why not exercise some choice and try to bring some good to the politics.
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