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Postby bodom » Thu Jan 22, 2009 2:49 pm

I have come across a term in my local Wats chanting book and im not sure what it means. Im not even sure if it is Pali or Thai. I am hoping someone can translate it for me. The phrase is "Syamongkonkata (suatsye)" Thanks!

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Re: Need a translation

Postby Dhammanando » Thu Jan 22, 2009 3:22 pm

Hi Bodom,

bodom_bad_boy wrote:I have come across a term in my local Wats chanting book and im not sure what it means. Im not even sure if it is Pali or Thai. I am hoping someone can translate it for me. The phrase is "Syamongkonkata (suatsye)"


It's a rather irregular transcription system that they're using.

"Sya" should be "saiya" ("magic", "sorcery").
"Mongkon" is the Thai pronunciation of maṅgala ("blessing").
"Kata" is an attempt to transliterate the Thai pronunciation of gāthā ("verse").
"Suat" is "to chant".

"Magical blessing verses" (magical arts chants).

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Re: Need a translation

Postby bodom » Thu Jan 22, 2009 3:43 pm

Dhammanando wrote:Hi Bodom,

bodom_bad_boy wrote:I have come across a term in my local Wats chanting book and im not sure what it means. Im not even sure if it is Pali or Thai. I am hoping someone can translate it for me. The phrase is "Syamongkonkata (suatsye)"


It's a rather irregular transcription system that they're using.

"Sya" should be "saiya" ("magic", "sorcery").
"Mongkon" is the Thai pronunciation of maṅgala ("blessing").
"Kata" is an attempt to transliterate the Thai pronunciation of gāthā ("verse").
"Suat" is "to chant".

"Magical blessing verses" (magical arts chants).

Best wishes,
Dhammanando Bhikkhu


Thank you Bhante. :bow: :bow: :bow:

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Re: Need a translation

Postby jcsuperstar » Thu Jan 22, 2009 6:08 pm

what are "Magical blessing verses" (magical arts chants).?
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Re: Need a translation

Postby Dhammanando » Thu Jan 22, 2009 6:15 pm

jcsuperstar wrote:what are "Magical blessing verses" (magical arts chants).?


It properly means mantras from the Atharva Veda, but it might be also used for Buddhist parittas chanted for the same reasons (wealth, fertility, business success etc.).

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Re: Need a translation

Postby Dhammanando » Fri Jan 23, 2009 2:24 pm

Hi again,

Another possibility occurred to me: it could be saiya in the sense of 'sleeping', in which case it might mean verses that one chants just before retiring to bed.

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Re: Need a translation

Postby bodom » Fri Jan 23, 2009 2:28 pm

The next time im at the Wat i will check to see if there is an english traslation for this passage and see if i can find anymore information out about it.

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