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Dharma-ending age

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Dharma-ending age

Postby LauraJ » Sat Nov 14, 2009 4:26 pm

According to Theravada, are we in the dharma-ending age?



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Re: Dharma-ending age

Postby LauraJ » Sat Nov 14, 2009 5:00 pm

Thanks David :anjali:



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Re: Dharma-ending age

Postby BlackBird » Sat Nov 14, 2009 8:33 pm

Hi David

I was wondering, would it be possible to point to a source in the commentaries where this is said that the highest stage one can attain these days is anagami?
This seems to be a bit of a confusing point for me. As in most of the commentarial 'abhidhamma' traditions I have encountered it is made quite clear (i thought) that the attainment of arahantship is still quite possible.

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Re: Dharma-ending age

Postby retrofuturist » Sat Nov 14, 2009 11:31 pm

"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

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Re: Dharma-ending age

Postby BlackBird » Sun Nov 15, 2009 9:27 am

Thank you Retro
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Postby retrofuturist » Mon Aug 22, 2011 11:54 pm

"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

"To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead" - Thomas Paine

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Re: Dharma-ending age

Postby chownah » Tue Aug 23, 2011 1:46 am

No need to worry.....one can always pursue paccakabuddhahood..
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Re: Dharma-ending age

Postby santa100 » Tue Aug 23, 2011 2:43 pm

On a practical note, if one finds the environment he's living in is getting worse and worse, he/she should have even bigger motivation to cultivate the Path, to work harder for final enlightenment..knowing that the further the delay, the lesser the chance to reach the goal..

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Postby buddhis8 » Fri Aug 26, 2011 9:07 pm

I guess the most important question here is....is it a Dharma ending age for you?

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Postby BubbaBuddhist » Sat Sep 03, 2011 12:55 am

I think it was sunk with the advent of the Internet. :computerproblem:

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Re: Dharma-ending age

Postby cooran » Sat Sep 03, 2011 3:53 am

Hello all,

This Sutta ht be of interest:
SN 16.13 Saddhamma-pa.tiruupaka.m Sutta: False Dhamma translated from the Pali by Maurice O'Connell Walshe

[At Saavatthii Kassapa asked the Buddha:] "What is the reason, Lord, and depending on what conditions is it that formerly there were fewer precepts, yet more monks attained enlightenment?[1] What is the reason, Lord, and depending on what conditions is it that nowadays there are more precepts, and fewer monks attain enlightenment?"

"It is like this, Kassapa. When beings are in decline,[2] and the true Dhamma is waning, then there are more precepts and fewer monks attain enlightenment.

But there is no disappearance of the true Dhamma, Kassapa, till a counterfeit Dhamma arises in the world; but when a counterfeit Dhamma arises, then there is a disappearance of the true Dhamma, just as there is no disappearing of gold so long as no counterfeit gold has arisen in the world...[3] The earth-element[4] does not make the true Dhamma disappear, the water-element... the fire-element... the air-element..., But right here[5] men of straw[6] appear, and it is they who bring about the disappearance of the true Dhamma.

A ship, Kassapa, may sink all at once, but it is not thus that the true Dhamma disappears.
There are five contributory[7] factors, Kassapa, which lead to the adulteration[8] and disappearance of the true Dhamma.

Which five? It is when monks and nuns, male and female lay-followers behave disrespectfully and rebelliously towards the Teacher,... towards the Dhamma,... towards the Sangha,... towards the training,... towards meditation.[9]

"But when monks and nuns, male and female lay followers behave respectfully and deferentially towards the Dhamma,... towards the Sangha,... towards the training,... towards meditation, then these five things conduce to the maintenance, the purity and the preservation of the true Dhamma."

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Aññaa: "highest knowledge, gnosis": the knowledge gained by Arahants.
2.
Sattesu haayamaanesu "with the dwindling of [numbers of] beings." Mrs Rhys Davids has "when members [sic! = numbers?] decrease," with a note: "As in the case of physical cataclysms, such as the three cosmic "involutions"... discussed in Visuddhimagga 414f. [VM XIII, 28ff.]."
3.
A Buddhist "Gresham's Law"?
4.
The "four great elements" (mahaabhuutaa) cf. Vol. III, n. 232.
5.
Here in the Sangha.
6.
Worthless, empty men.
7.
Okkamaniyaa dhammaa: "factors which enter in" (okkamati=avakamati). Mrs Rhys Davids has "lowering factors." The article on the verb okkamati in PED is thoroughly muddled and muddling.
8.
Sammosaaya: "confusing, bewildering": from the same root as musaa- in musaavaadaa "wrong speech."
9.
Samaadhi, here in the general sense of "meditation."
http://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka ... .wlsh.html

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Re: Dharma-ending age

Postby altar » Sat Sep 03, 2011 7:48 pm

akaliko, "timeless"

One may speak of a decline in dharma,
as in, now people act more or less in tune with nature, but, the dhamma is "timeless." The Tathagatha having passed away so long ago, it doesnt surprise me if the dhamma and the dispensation are ebbing and diminishing, so to speak, in terms of abundance, but when i think of modern buddhism it does... one of the 8 comparisons in the ocean sutta is that just as when it rains and the oceans increase or decrease, no rise or fall can be discerned, just so with the saints who enter upon final liberation. (though yes now we have modern measuring techniques............)


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