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Mahamudra in Theravada?

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Re: Mahamudra in Theravada?

Postby Sanghamitta » Thu Nov 19, 2009 7:05 pm

I dont think its that Laura, I think that there are real and essential differences between the Vajrayana and the Theravada, which doesnt mean we cant have mutual respect and learning.
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Re: Mahamudra in Theravada?

Postby Aloka » Thu Nov 19, 2009 7:21 pm

Mahamudra meditation in Vajrayana has to be practiced with teacher input and there are various stages in the development of the practice.

It's been said that it can't really be acurately described by someone who hasn't experienced it for themselves.

Mahamudra meditatation is said to include bliss, clarity, and non-conceptual awareness, and the awareness of the emptiness of experience and phenomena.

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Re: Mahamudra in Theravada?

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Re: Mahamudra in Theravada?

Postby jcsuperstar » Thu Nov 19, 2009 7:39 pm

i think the only real difference is in the outside forms and the addition of a guru figure.
pretty much every (non theravada) buddhist meditation style i've personally been taught or read about are, basically, the same as those found within the theravada except for specific deity meditations.
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Re: Mahamudra in Theravada?

Postby LauraJ » Fri Nov 20, 2009 2:28 am




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Re: Mahamudra in Theravada?

Postby Moggalana » Fri Nov 20, 2009 2:26 pm

There are various types of Mahamudra: sutra Mahamudra, tantra Mahamudra, essence Mahamudra (). Only the last-mentioned type features "pointing out instructions" which were mentioned above. A skillful teacher might be able to point out the nature of the mind and thus lead the student to a sudden realization of enlightenment. But to receive these instructions, a student normally has to undergo a rigorous preliminary practice ().

In one of his dhamma talks, Ajahn Brahm mentioned a profound discussion he had with some tibetan monks. He concluded that the words, the instructions and techniques might be slightly different. The results, however, are the same. To quote him directly: "Same cake, different icing" ;) There is also an interesting book written by Joseph Goldstein ("One Dharma") which investigates the similarities of buddhism's three main branches (Theravada, Vajrayana, Zen). It's highly recommendable :)
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Re: Mahamudra in Theravada?

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Re: Mahamudra in Theravada?

Postby ashtanga » Sat Nov 21, 2009 2:42 pm

Thanks everyone for your feedback.

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Re: Mahamudra in Theravada?

Postby meindzai » Sun Nov 22, 2009 12:42 am

I think it's important to remember that vipassana and samatha are not meditation techniques, but qualities that are cultivated through meditation. Any legitmately Buddhist technique (from anapanasati to zazen) would cultivate one and/or the other to some degree. Sometimes vipassana is emphasized and sometimes samatha is emphasized. It has always sounded to me like mahamudra would fall more on the vipassana side of the scale, a lot like zen's shikantaza.

I don't think the major differences are in execution as much as context and terminology. In Theravada the goal is to see things as they are - anicca, anatta, dukkha, wheras in Mahayana they speak of seeing one's true nature, which an aspect of emptiness, which is really just anicca, anatta, dukkha.

I think if you talk to advanced practitioners of either they would describe the same experiences anyway. I've found that mahayana is just a bit more poetic about it wheras theravada describes things in terms that are more precise and technical.

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Re: Mahamudra in Theravada?

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