AHHH, THE FREAKIN' NOISE!

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AHHH, THE FREAKIN' NOISE!

Postby Rob427W » Wed Oct 21, 2009 12:36 am

Good freakin' night, man. You want to talk about anger / annoyance / maybe hate?


I think tonight might be the first night that I've had to stop my sit early, because of my father's loud television -- at least since I've been back from Jack Kornfield's retreat.


So, while I deal with the anger -- is there something you folks might suggest for the noise...better word, sound?

I'm thinking earplugs, but then you have to deal with the annoying sound of your breath, which becomes very loud.


Maybe I just need to move out. I am 22.


...yikes. :weep:

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Re: AHHH, THE FREAKIN' NOISE!

Postby Cittasanto » Wed Oct 21, 2009 12:49 am

Try practicing Metta? or focs on what you want to focus o instead of what ou mind wants to?


He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them.
But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion …
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He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them … he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.

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Re: AHHH, THE FREAKIN' NOISE!

Postby Ben » Wed Oct 21, 2009 1:27 am

Hi Rob
Definitely move out. Get your own place. I highly recommend it.
However, I think you'll find you'll take your annoyances with you.

Before you move out, you may want to support your meditation practice by getting some earplugs. Something that I use is an ipod and play sound files of my teacher reciting suttas in pali. It provides a nice meditative ambience, blocks out most distracting outside noises and is a convenient time piece. I've used that set-up to meditate while commuting on rural trains.
Another recommendation is to meditate very early in the morning and after your father has gone to bed for the night - when its a bit quiter.

If you can support your practice in this way then you'll find over time that you'll start to let go of your annoyances.
All the best

Ben
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Re: AHHH, THE FREAKIN' NOISE!

Postby pink_trike » Wed Oct 21, 2009 1:32 am

Until you're able to find a quieter place to sit your practice can be to note "sound" and note mind's reaction to sound without engaging with either of them - just observe sound and mind's reaction to it....this can be your entire practice for as long as those are the circumstances you find yourself in.

Observe the difference between hearing and listening.
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Emptiness is Clear Light
Clear Light is Union
Union is Great Bliss

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Re: AHHH, THE FREAKIN' NOISE!

Postby zavk » Wed Oct 21, 2009 1:33 am

Hi Rob

This might be of interest: viewtopic.php?f=22&t=2305
With metta,
zavk

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Re: AHHH, THE FREAKIN' NOISE!

Postby BlackBird » Wed Oct 21, 2009 1:54 am

TV blares when we're eating meals, I've actually been told more or less to stop muting the television during the ad break - "You always do that, it's annoying."

People are funny.
Situations require patience.

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'The Blessed One is the Teacher, I am a disciple. He is the one who knows, not I." -

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Re: AHHH, THE FREAKIN' NOISE!

Postby mikenz66 » Wed Oct 21, 2009 2:09 am


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Re: AHHH, THE FREAKIN' NOISE!

Postby Rob427W » Wed Oct 21, 2009 2:17 am

You guys are really wonderful.

Only about a week here, and I've received so much. :clap: :hug:


I'm going to contemplate all your suggestions well.


Off to bed for now. Nite, folks. :smile:

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Re: AHHH, THE FREAKIN' NOISE!

Postby pink_trike » Wed Oct 21, 2009 3:07 am

Vision is Mind
Mind is Empty
Emptiness is Clear Light
Clear Light is Union
Union is Great Bliss

- Dawa Gyaltsen

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Re: AHHH, THE FREAKIN' NOISE!

Postby mikenz66 » Wed Oct 21, 2009 4:42 am

Hi Rob,

Perhaps I should add that it's only after several years that I'm no longer bothered by the relatively innocuous bells that the Thais like to hang around the grounds of our Wat to ring in the wind...

And I recall Ajahn Tiradhammo mentioning a monk who left a monastery that he was staying in in Thailand in the 1970s, with the complaint that: "I can't meditate here, the frogs are too noisy!".

So don't feel bad if you can't be equanimous about the TV right away... :meditate:

Mike

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Re: AHHH, THE FREAKIN' NOISE!

Postby PeterB » Wed Oct 21, 2009 7:34 am

During the course of most weeks I move between a very quiet house in a small village with just one road in and out, and an apartment near London. I was interested to realise that the adjustment that I had to make was the reverse of what I expected. The sound of traffic when at the apartment is constant and consistant, a hum. After a while I had to make a conscious effort to hear it. The sounds around the house are natural but random, gulls,magpies, the wind in the trees, peasant folk dancing by torchlight ( I made that bit up )..and its those sounds I have to adjust to after being away. Its all in the mind.
Having said that 22 is a good age to move away if finances allow, also Rob, have you asked dad to turn it down a bit ?

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Re: AHHH, THE FREAKIN' NOISE!

Postby Bhikkhu Pesala » Wed Oct 21, 2009 8:02 am

Get up early in the morning to meditate — I bet your dad is not watching TV at 5:00 am.

In the evenings, go out for a walk.
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Re: AHHH, THE FREAKIN' NOISE!

Postby cooran » Wed Oct 21, 2009 8:05 am

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Re: AHHH, THE FREAKIN' NOISE!

Postby PeterB » Wed Oct 21, 2009 8:32 am

I find that in my case the " so precious I " can always find a reason why THIS particular situation is simply too much to ask..The trouble is THIS particular situation has a habit of recurring under a series of guises..

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Re: AHHH, THE FREAKIN' NOISE!

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Re: AHHH, THE FREAKIN' NOISE!

Postby acinteyyo » Sun Nov 22, 2009 8:22 pm

Freakin' Noise?

Thag 1.20. Ajita - I do not fear death; nor do I long for life. I’ll lay down this body, aware and mindful.

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Re: AHHH, THE FREAKIN' NOISE!

Postby Laurens » Sun Nov 22, 2009 10:11 pm

If you find yourself becoming angry at your father I would certainly recommend metta meditation.

Also another simple thing that might work is this:

"Dad is that okay if you turn the TV down just a little please? I find it distracts me from my meditation"
"For me, it is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring."

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Re: AHHH, THE FREAKIN' NOISE!

Postby rowyourboat » Mon Nov 23, 2009 11:12 pm

the sound doesn't disturb

the mind getting agitated at the sound does

when we stop fighting with the sound, stop having aversion, we can let the sound arise and pass away
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Re: AHHH, THE FREAKIN' NOISE!

Postby retrofuturist » Mon Nov 23, 2009 11:16 pm

"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

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