If there was no Theravada, which tradition would you pick?

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If there was no Theravada, which tradition would you pick?

Postby Dugu » Thu Nov 26, 2009 1:46 am

Just curious which tradition would you guys have pick if there was no Theravada. :smile:

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Postby BudSas » Thu Nov 26, 2009 2:18 am

Dugu wrote:Just curious which tradition would you guys have pick if there was no Theravada. :smile:


Any "tradition" which respects and encourages us to practice the Noble Eightfold Path would be acceptable.

... the Blessed One said, "In any doctrine & discipline where the noble eightfold path is not found, no contemplative of the first... second... third... fourth order [stream-winner, once-returner, non-returner, or arahant] is found. But in any doctrine & discipline where the noble eightfold path is found, contemplatives of the first... second... third... fourth order are found. The noble eightfold path is found in this doctrine & discipline, and right here there are contemplatives of the first... second... third... fourth order. Other teachings are empty of knowledgeable contemplatives. And if the monks dwell rightly, this world will not be empty of arahants."
(Mahaparinibbana Sutta, DN 16, trans. Bhikkhu Thanissaro)


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Re: If there was no Theravada, which tradition would you pick?

Postby retrofuturist » Thu Nov 26, 2009 2:20 am

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Re: If there was no Theravada, which tradition would you pick?

Postby jcsuperstar » Thu Nov 26, 2009 4:11 am

i started in zen, and was quite happy there, i only ended up in theravada because i had a ticket to thailand and decided to use my time there visiting and living in temples... so if no theravada then it'd still be zen
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Re: If there was no Theravada, which tradition would you pick?

Postby EricJ » Thu Nov 26, 2009 5:02 am

Well, I am not "officially" Theravadin (yet), but I will give my opinion anyway.

Probably Tibetan or Shingon. Vajrayana seems to have quite an array of meditative practices, both samatha and vipassana, which appeal to me more than the single practice methods of Chan/Zen or the pure devotionalism of Pure Land/Nichiren. I must admit that I also find the rituals, philosophy and theories behind tantric practice pretty captivating.
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Postby tiltbillings » Thu Nov 26, 2009 5:20 am

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This being is bound to samsara, kamma is his means for going beyond.
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Re: If there was no Theravada, which tradition would you pick?

Postby Dugu » Thu Nov 26, 2009 5:50 am

jcsuperstar wrote:i started in zen, and was quite happy there, i only ended up in theravada because i had a ticket to thailand and decided to use my time there visiting and living in temples... so if no theravada then it'd still be zen


How long were you in Zen? And what was it about Theravada that made you switch? :smile:

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Postby pink_trike » Thu Nov 26, 2009 6:11 am

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Re: If there was no Theravada, which tradition would you pick?

Postby Vardali » Thu Nov 26, 2009 6:24 am

Anyrhing with a strong focus on the teachings with no frills.
Rituals and guru "worship" are a bit of a turnoff for me.

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Re: If there was no Theravada, which tradition would you pick?

Postby Sanghamitta » Thu Nov 26, 2009 8:07 am

Heedless hedonism.
If there was no Theravada I wouldnt bother. For me its the only logical coherent approach to life.

I am aware that other alternatives are on offer.
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Postby cooran » Thu Nov 26, 2009 8:17 am

I would have remained an ardent practising Christian (Anglican).
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Postby Dugu » Thu Nov 26, 2009 8:47 am

Sanghamitta wrote:Heedless hedonism.
If there was no Theravada I wouldnt bother. For me its the only logical coherent approach to life.

I am aware that other alternatives are on offer.


Sometimes I feel like I'm a hedonist trying my best to be Theravadan. :lol: So the other tradition does not appeal to you?

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Re: If there was no Theravada, which tradition would you pick?

Postby BlackBird » Thu Nov 26, 2009 8:47 am

Yogācāra I guess. Not that I know anything about it.

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Postby tiltbillings » Thu Nov 26, 2009 8:51 am

BlackBird wrote:Yogācāra I guess. Not that I know anything about it.

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A good, accurate description can be found in R Gethin's FOUNDATION OF BUDDHISM.
This being is bound to samsara, kamma is his means for going beyond.
SN I, 38.

Ar scáth a chéile a mhaireas na daoine.
People live in one another’s shelter.

dheamhan a fhios agam

"We eat cold eels and think distant thoughts." -- Jack Johnson

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Re: If there was no Theravada, which tradition would you pick?

Postby Dugu » Thu Nov 26, 2009 8:59 am

Chris wrote:I would have remained an ardent practising Christian (Anglican).


Really Chris? That's interesting. I just assume everyone would pick a different Buddhist Tradition.

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Re: If there was no Theravada, which tradition would you pick?

Postby Sanghamitta » Thu Nov 26, 2009 9:06 am

Dugu wrote:
Sanghamitta wrote:Heedless hedonism.
If there was no Theravada I wouldnt bother. For me its the only logical coherent approach to life.

I am aware that other alternatives are on offer.


Sometimes I feel like I'm a hedonist trying my best to be Theravadan. :lol: So the other tradition does not appeal to you?

Its all academic really isnt it Dugu, for all I know if there was no Theravada the other traditions would not exist either. I am quite convinced that the other traditions are departures from the Theravada..But to go along with the game, perhaps on reflection one of of the Sangha based and less speculative Mahayana schools , one of the Chinese ones or the Gelugpa might do in a pinch. As long as I didnt have to think too much about the origin of their Sutras as representing other than poetry. And I am aware that this is the way that some see the Pali Canon too, but I think that those who do are swinging to another extreme on the spectrum. I remain convinced for good reasons that the Pali Canon in the main and by and large represents the actual teachings of the historical Buddha.
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Re: If there was no Theravada, which tradition would you pick?

Postby Dugu » Thu Nov 26, 2009 9:13 am

Sanghamitta wrote:
Dugu wrote:
Sanghamitta wrote:Heedless hedonism.
If there was no Theravada I wouldnt bother. For me its the only logical coherent approach to life.

I am aware that other alternatives are on offer.


Sometimes I feel like I'm a hedonist trying my best to be Theravadan. :lol: So the other tradition does not appeal to you?

Its all academic really isnt it Dugu, for all I know if there was no Theravada the other traditions would not exist either. I am quite convinced that the other traditions are departures from the Theravada..But to go along with the game, perhaps on reflection one of of the Sangha based and less speculative Mahayana schools , one of the Chinese ones or the Gelugpa might do in a pinch. As long as I didnt have to think too much about the origin of their Sutras as representing other than poetry. And I am aware that this is the way that some see the Pali Canon too, but I think that those who do are swinging to another extreme on the spectrum. I remain convinced for good reasons that the Pali Canon in the main and by and large represents the actual teachings of the historical Buddha.


Yea I agree. Thanks for your response. :smile:

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Re: If there was no Theravada, which tradition would you pick?

Postby Moggalana » Thu Nov 26, 2009 9:16 am

Probably Mahamudra (Kagyü school of tibetan buddhism) or Dzogchen (Nyingma school of tibetan buddhism).
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Re: If there was no Theravada, which tradition would you pick?

Postby Dhammanando » Thu Nov 26, 2009 10:32 am

Stoicism.
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    “Who lives without reverence lives miserably.”
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Re: If there was no Theravada, which tradition would you pick?

Postby Cittasanto » Thu Nov 26, 2009 11:24 am

Dhammanando wrote:Stoicism.

:twothumbsup:
Probably the same, or maybe, epicurianism?

Edit that, probably analytic philosophy as a whole.
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