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New book... ('A Comprehensive Manual of Abhidhamma')

Postby ashtanga » Wed Nov 25, 2009 10:30 pm

Hi all,

I have just received my copy of 'A Comprehensive Manual of Abhidhamma' by Bikkhu Bodhi.

...I've heard a lot about it so I guess I've made a good choice?

Tony...
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Re: New book...

Postby retrofuturist » Wed Nov 25, 2009 10:42 pm

Greetings Tony,

ashtanga wrote:...I've heard a lot about it so I guess I've made a good choice?


If you want a summary of the commentarial understanding of the Abhidhamma dhamma theory, then this seems like your best bet.

Whether that's what you're after will determine whether it's a good choice or not! :tongue:

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Re: New book... ('A Comprehensive Manual of Abhidhamma')

Postby Ben » Thu Nov 26, 2009 1:26 am

Hi Tony
I think its very excellent. It can be hard to read and follow and after reading it through, I tend to use it now as a reference. Bhikkhu Bodhi's explanatory text really makes the book worthwhile.
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Re: New book... ('A Comprehensive Manual of Abhidhamma')

Postby Kare » Thu Nov 26, 2009 1:38 am

I agree. The book is excellent. But read it slowly, go back and reread a chapter now and then, and try to load the stuff into your mental harddisc. The more you are able to internalize it, the better it will be understood. Use the book as a tool kit for understanding your own mind. Enjoy! :twothumbsup:
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Re: New book... ('A Comprehensive Manual of Abhidhamma')

Postby ashtanga » Thu Nov 26, 2009 8:10 am

Thanks, I have been stuygin Emptiness in the Tibetan Tradition for many years so the subject matter shouldn't be too unfamiliar - I am looking forward to seeing the Theravadin take on Emptiness - which I understand is more to do with Dependent Origination rather than conceptualising Emptiness per se.

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Re: New book... ('A Comprehensive Manual of Abhidhamma')

Postby Paññāsikhara » Thu Nov 26, 2009 9:56 am

ashtanga wrote:Thanks, I have been stuygin Emptiness in the Tibetan Tradition for many years so the subject matter shouldn't be too unfamiliar - I am looking forward to seeing the Theravadin take on Emptiness - which I understand is more to do with Dependent Origination rather than conceptualising Emptiness per se.

Tony...


I think that you'll find that later Theravadin Abhidhamma and late Tibetan Sunyavada are almost at opposite ends of the spectrum in a number of ways. One could probably read one of the two into the other, but it may be forced and do rather an injustice to that which loses out.

For instance, what is "paramartha"?

These two streams of Buddhist thought basically parted ways about 1000 yrs before the Abhidhammasamgaha and a lot of Tibetan material.

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Re: New book... ('A Comprehensive Manual of Abhidhamma')

Postby retrofuturist » Thu Nov 26, 2009 10:11 am

Greetings bhante,

Yes, they were some of the concerns that I thought of when I saw the potential paramattha / emptiness conflict.

Either way the process will be a good eye opener.

:shock:

Thanks as always for sharing your perspectives.

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Re: New book... ('A Comprehensive Manual of Abhidhamma')

Postby ashtanga » Thu Nov 26, 2009 10:29 am

Yes, they were some of the concerns that I thought of when I saw the potential paramattha / emptiness conflict.


Uh Ho... :thinking:

Go on, give me a clue of what the conflic is...I'm curious.

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Re: New book... ('A Comprehensive Manual of Abhidhamma')

Postby retrofuturist » Thu Nov 26, 2009 10:46 am

Greetings ashtanga,

Well, there may be conflict, there may not... it depends.

As venerable Paññāsikhara suggested, it will depend on what you understand the term "paramattha" (sometimes translated as, 'ultimate realities') to mean, and whether you think that is consistent with sunnata.

This PDF explains it well...

The Dhamma Theory: Philosophical Cornerstone of the Abhidhamma by Prof. Dr. Y. Karunadasa
http://www.zeh-verlag.de/download/dhammatheory.pdf

I must admit personally to being influenced in this matter by...

SN 12.15 - Kaccayanagotta Sutta
http://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka ... .than.html

In particular, this bit.

"By & large, Kaccayana, this world is supported by (takes as its object) a polarity, that of existence & non-existence. But when one sees the origination of the world as it actually is with right discernment, 'non-existence' with reference to the world does not occur to one. When one sees the cessation of the world as it actually is with right discernment, 'existence' with reference to the world does not occur to one."


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Whatever various forms of unease there are in the world, They originate founded in encumbering accumulation. (Pārāyanavagga)


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One who is such, calmed and ever mindful, He has no sorrows! -- Udana IV, 7


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Re: New book... ('A Comprehensive Manual of Abhidhamma')

Postby ckatgo » Thu Nov 26, 2009 3:54 pm

Greetings!

I have this book, I have to admit it looks pretty technical but I am excited to get started on it and I look forward to seeing what everyone has to say about it.


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Re: New book... ('A Comprehensive Manual of Abhidhamma')

Postby Mawkish1983 » Fri Nov 27, 2009 2:55 am

SN 12.15 wrote:"when one sees the origination of the world as it actually is with right discernment, 'non-existence' with reference to the world does not occur to one. When one sees the cessation of the world as it actually is with right discernment, 'existence' with reference to the world does not occur to one."

My reaction to this is similar to Neo's reaction when he sees Morpheous in the jump program leap from rooftop to rooftop:
Neo wrote:Whoa.
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