Swine Flu prevention - some simple measures

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Re: Swine Flu prevention - some simple measures

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Re: Swine Flu prevention - some simple measures

Postby Sanghamitta » Mon Nov 30, 2009 5:47 pm

Some Swine Flu facts.
As at 26/11 Swine flu deaths in the UK stand at 245, with more expected if the second wave hits after Christmas. A large proportion of those deaths are not in fact older people , they are young people. Pregnant women seem to be hit particularly hard by the virus witha UK total of 23 otherwise healthy pregnant women dying as a result of the virus.

In addition to the deaths most large hospitals in late October early November were stretched to the limit of their capacity in terms of staff, both nurses and doctors.
Most large hospitals were having to postpone urgent surgery, and their Intensive Care Units were filled to capacity.
There has been a lessening of new cases due in no small part it is assumed because of the vaccination programme. The take up has been very high, particularly among NHS staff who are traditionally reluctant to avail themselves of the seasonal flu jabs.

Even when a particular subject has mild symptoms there is a risk of passing on the virus to more vulnerable people including pregnant women.
So far there are NO reports of major reactions to the vaccine offered in the UK.
All figures taken from the latest (26/11 ) stats from the DHSS.
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Re: Swine Flu prevention - some simple measures

Postby Laurens » Mon Nov 30, 2009 6:51 pm

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Re: Swine Flu prevention - some simple measures

Postby Sanghamitta » Mon Nov 30, 2009 7:01 pm

Laurens I think you might be missing the main thrust of this. The numbers of people dying from seasonal flu reflect what happens to the elderly population with underlying health concerns. What is different about Swine Flu is that a high proprotion of those dying are YOUNG. Being older actually confers a degree of immunity to this particular virus. We had two more deaths of fit young people in the hospital I manage last week. In addition to the deaths a sizeable proportion of younger people contacting the disease are hospitalised and remain ill for several weeks. This represents a huge drain on NHS resources, and is easily preventable.
And this is to say nothing of the projected second wave which we will not see until Jan/Feb. This is not the US. It is in no ones interest to scare people. No one in the NHS stands to make money from this situation. My perception of these events is not as a result of the media, I am seeing it from the inside.
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Postby Laurens » Mon Nov 30, 2009 7:42 pm

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Re: Swine Flu prevention - some simple measures

Postby Sanghamitta » Mon Nov 30, 2009 7:55 pm

It was for the family of the 28 year old woman who died on one of my wards last week.
Clearly if there had been no vaccination programme and a couple of thousand people had died in the UK then the reaction to that would have been huge..There is a direct correlation between the vaccine roll out and the downshift in the number of reported cases. We are seeing it week on week. Of course when it is all over and tens of thousands of people have not developed Swine Flu because other people had the jab some of them will say " see I told you that it was nothing ".... :tongue: c'est la vie ...
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Postby Khalil Bodhi » Mon Nov 30, 2009 9:35 pm

Hello All,

Well, it appears that my wife has come down with the Swine Flu and I can only assume I'm next. The doctor said our 2 y.o. probably already had it and gave it to his mother but who knows. I just keep reflecting on byadahi-dhammomhi byaadhim anatiito and rolling with the punches. Be well. :anjali:
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Re: Swine Flu prevention - some simple measures

Postby BlackBird » Mon Nov 30, 2009 10:18 pm

The best thing for these things is to build up a strong immune system, and just like building a muscle it's not gonna get strong unless it gets used. That is why imo prevention of influenza by vaccination is never the best option for humanity.

Lots of people caught swine flu down here in Dunedin this season, it's really not all it's cracked up to be by the media and WHO.


Hope you all get better soon Mike :heart:

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Postby Khalil Bodhi » Mon Nov 30, 2009 11:00 pm

Thanks Jack, and I certainly hope it's as mild as the normal flu. Be well!
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Re: Swine Flu prevention - some simple measures

Postby Sanghamitta » Tue Dec 01, 2009 8:55 am

This isnt a philosophical game. These are real people. Those deaths are/were easily prevenatable by one one quick injection. That is not a matter of interpretation its a matter of fact.
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Re: Swine Flu prevention - some simple measures

Postby Dan74 » Tue Dec 01, 2009 9:01 am

Yes! And not only that but enough people getting the vaccine will stop the flu from becoming an epidemic again.

But again I am not a medical professional, just talking common sense here (I think?).

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Re: Swine Flu prevention - some simple measures

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Re: Swine Flu prevention - some simple measures

Postby Annapurna » Tue Dec 01, 2009 11:19 pm

Most important,that, for swineflu. Wash hands whenever you come home from a store becuase that is where you get the virus on your hands.

It's also good to frequently drink, to flush viruses down to the stomach, where the acid kills them and you can also take a Q tip and clean nostrils with salt water.
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Re: Swine Flu prevention - some simple measures

Postby BlackBird » Wed Dec 02, 2009 3:44 am

Well to be a bit tongue in cheek I think the life of a Buddha or Arahant is a lot more important than the lives of many humans on Earth today :stirthepot:
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