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Sūdanī

Postby retrofuturist » Sun Dec 06, 2009 9:58 pm

Greetings,

Does anyone know what the word sūdanī means?

I can't seem to find it in the usual Pali dictionaries.

I assume the 'su' prefix might indicate happy, or pleasant?

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Re: Sūdanī

Postby Bhikkhu Pesala » Sun Dec 06, 2009 10:08 pm

A "sūda" is a cook, so I guess "sūdani" is the plural form? What is the context?
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Re: Sūdanī

Postby retrofuturist » Sun Dec 06, 2009 10:16 pm

Greetings bhante,

I'm thinking of it in the context of Papañca-Sūdanī, venerable Buddhaghosa's commentary to the Majjhima Nikaya.

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Re: Sūdanī

Postby cooran » Sun Dec 06, 2009 10:26 pm

Hello Retro,

Sūdana means cleaning. See Visuddhimagga XI, 125 note 46 to this verse:
That is how this benefit of the development of concentration is fivefold as a blissful abiding here and now, and so on.
So wise men fail not in devotion
To the pursuit of concentration:
It cleans defiling of stains' pollution,[note 46]
And brings rewards past calculation.

It says an alternative reading here is Sodhana:
Sodhana (nt.) [fr. sodheti] cleansing Vism 276 (as f. ˚nā); examining J i.292; payment (see uddhāra) J i.321.
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Re: Sūdanī

Postby David N. Snyder » Sun Dec 06, 2009 10:37 pm

I couldn't find any English translation yet either, just:

sūda (or) sūdaka = cook

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Re: Sūdanī

Postby retrofuturist » Sun Dec 06, 2009 11:20 pm

Greetings Chris,

Interesting - thanks.

Perhaps then, Papañca-Sūdanī may mean the cleansing of mental proliferation?

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Re: Sūdanī

Postby Cittasanto » Mon Dec 07, 2009 2:20 am

if su means happy dani means now according to a program I have so it could mean now happy?
couldn't find a direct translation of the word, but the closest I found was suda which as Bhante says means cook.
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Re: Sūdanī

Postby Dhammanando » Thu Dec 10, 2009 7:05 am

Hi Retro,

retrofuturist wrote:Perhaps then, Papañca-Sūdanī may mean the cleansing of mental proliferation?


The -ī suffix in sūdanī indicates an actor rather than an action-noun, hence "cleanser."

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sɑrɑ̄: ɑ ɑ̄ i ī u ū e o
kɑɳȶɑjɑ̄: k ƙ ɡ ɠ ŋ
tɑ̄lujɑ̄: c ƈ j j̛ ɲ
mudɗɑjɑ̄: ʈ ȶ ɖ ȡ ɳ
dɑntɑjɑ̄: t ƭ d ɗ n
oʈȶɑjɑ̄: p ƥ b ɓ m
ɑvɑɡɡɑ̄: y r l v s h ł
niɡɡɑhītɑ̊: ɑ̊ i̊ ů

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Re: Sūdanī

Postby retrofuturist » Thu Dec 10, 2009 7:41 am

Brilliant - thanks bhante!

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Through corruption of the Dhamma comes corruption of the discipline, and from corruption of the discipline comes corruption of the Dhamma. This is the first future danger as yet unarisen that will arise in the future. You should recognize it and make an effort to prevent it. (AN 5.79)

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Re: Sūdanī

Postby Dhammanando » Mon Dec 14, 2009 8:00 am

Dhammanando wrote:Hi Retro,

retrofuturist wrote:Perhaps then, Papañca-Sūdanī may mean the cleansing of mental proliferation?


The -ī suffix in sūdanī indicates an actor rather than an action-noun, hence "cleanser."


A correction: since there's no 'h' in sūdanī "cleanser" isn't correct. The word comes from the root *sūd not *sodh. Hence, "Eradicator/Destroyer of Papañca". Also, I suspect papañca here is intended in its broad sense of impediment or stumbling block, rather than its narrow sense of diffuseness or proliferation.

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sɑrɑ̄: ɑ ɑ̄ i ī u ū e o
kɑɳȶɑjɑ̄: k ƙ ɡ ɠ ŋ
tɑ̄lujɑ̄: c ƈ j j̛ ɲ
mudɗɑjɑ̄: ʈ ȶ ɖ ȡ ɳ
dɑntɑjɑ̄: t ƭ d ɗ n
oʈȶɑjɑ̄: p ƥ b ɓ m
ɑvɑɡɡɑ̄: y r l v s h ł
niɡɡɑhītɑ̊: ɑ̊ i̊ ů


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