Does anyone know what the word sūdanī means?
I can't seem to find it in the usual Pali dictionaries.
I assume the 'su' prefix might indicate happy, or pleasant?
Metta,
Retro.
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Sūdanī
by retrofuturist » Sun Dec 06, 2009 9:58 pm
Greetings,
Does anyone know what the word sūdanī means?
I can't seem to find it in the usual Pali dictionaries.
I assume the 'su' prefix might indicate happy, or pleasant?
Metta,
Retro.
Does anyone know what the word sūdanī means?
I can't seem to find it in the usual Pali dictionaries.
I assume the 'su' prefix might indicate happy, or pleasant?
Metta,
Retro.
If you have asked me of the origination of unease, then I shall explain it to you in accordance with my understanding:
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Whatever various forms of unease there are in the world, They originate founded in encumbering accumulation. (Pārāyanavagga)
'We should not congratulate someone on the success of their misdeeds, but on the contrary should endeavour to advise him or her to lead a more skilful and wholesome life. If such advice is ignored then we can only give up and let go' - Phra Panyapatipo
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Re: Sūdanī
by Bhikkhu Pesala » Sun Dec 06, 2009 10:08 pm
A "sūda" is a cook, so I guess "sūdani" is the plural form? What is the context?
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Re: Sūdanī
by retrofuturist » Sun Dec 06, 2009 10:16 pm
Greetings bhante,
I'm thinking of it in the context of Papañca-Sūdanī, venerable Buddhaghosa's commentary to the Majjhima Nikaya.
Metta,
Retro.
I'm thinking of it in the context of Papañca-Sūdanī, venerable Buddhaghosa's commentary to the Majjhima Nikaya.
Metta,
Retro.
If you have asked me of the origination of unease, then I shall explain it to you in accordance with my understanding:
Whatever various forms of unease there are in the world, They originate founded in encumbering accumulation. (Pārāyanavagga)
'We should not congratulate someone on the success of their misdeeds, but on the contrary should endeavour to advise him or her to lead a more skilful and wholesome life. If such advice is ignored then we can only give up and let go' - Phra Panyapatipo
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Whatever various forms of unease there are in the world, They originate founded in encumbering accumulation. (Pārāyanavagga)
'We should not congratulate someone on the success of their misdeeds, but on the contrary should endeavour to advise him or her to lead a more skilful and wholesome life. If such advice is ignored then we can only give up and let go' - Phra Panyapatipo
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Re: Sūdanī
by cooran » Sun Dec 06, 2009 10:26 pm
Hello Retro,
Sūdana means cleaning. See Visuddhimagga XI, 125 note 46 to this verse:
That is how this benefit of the development of concentration is fivefold as a blissful abiding here and now, and so on.
So wise men fail not in devotion
To the pursuit of concentration:
It cleans defiling of stains' pollution,[note 46]
And brings rewards past calculation.
It says an alternative reading here is Sodhana:
Sodhana (nt.) [fr. sodheti] cleansing Vism 276 (as f. ˚nā); examining J i.292; payment (see uddhāra) J i.321.
http://dsal.uchicago.edu/cgi-bin/philol ... ali.271246
metta
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Sūdana means cleaning. See Visuddhimagga XI, 125 note 46 to this verse:
That is how this benefit of the development of concentration is fivefold as a blissful abiding here and now, and so on.
So wise men fail not in devotion
To the pursuit of concentration:
It cleans defiling of stains' pollution,[note 46]
And brings rewards past calculation.
It says an alternative reading here is Sodhana:
Sodhana (nt.) [fr. sodheti] cleansing Vism 276 (as f. ˚nā); examining J i.292; payment (see uddhāra) J i.321.
http://dsal.uchicago.edu/cgi-bin/philol ... ali.271246
metta
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Re: Sūdanī
by David N. Snyder » Sun Dec 06, 2009 10:37 pm
I couldn't find any English translation yet either, just:
sūda (or) sūdaka = cook
sūda (or) sūdaka = cook
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Re: Sūdanī
by retrofuturist » Sun Dec 06, 2009 11:20 pm
Greetings Chris,
Interesting - thanks.
Perhaps then, Papañca-Sūdanī may mean the cleansing of mental proliferation?
Metta,
Retro.
Interesting - thanks.
Perhaps then, Papañca-Sūdanī may mean the cleansing of mental proliferation?
Metta,
Retro.
If you have asked me of the origination of unease, then I shall explain it to you in accordance with my understanding:
Whatever various forms of unease there are in the world, They originate founded in encumbering accumulation. (Pārāyanavagga)
'We should not congratulate someone on the success of their misdeeds, but on the contrary should endeavour to advise him or her to lead a more skilful and wholesome life. If such advice is ignored then we can only give up and let go' - Phra Panyapatipo
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Whatever various forms of unease there are in the world, They originate founded in encumbering accumulation. (Pārāyanavagga)
'We should not congratulate someone on the success of their misdeeds, but on the contrary should endeavour to advise him or her to lead a more skilful and wholesome life. If such advice is ignored then we can only give up and let go' - Phra Panyapatipo
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Re: Sūdanī
by Cittasanto » Mon Dec 07, 2009 2:20 am
if su means happy dani means now according to a program I have so it could mean now happy?
couldn't find a direct translation of the word, but the closest I found was suda which as Bhante says means cook.
couldn't find a direct translation of the word, but the closest I found was suda which as Bhante says means cook.
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"Others will misconstrue reality due to their personal perspectives, doggedly holding onto and not easily discarding them; We shall not misconstrue reality due to our own personal perspectives, nor doggedly holding onto them, but will discard them easily. This effacement shall be done."
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Re: Sūdanī
by Dhammanando » Thu Dec 10, 2009 7:05 am
Hi Retro,
The -ī suffix in sūdanī indicates an actor rather than an action-noun, hence "cleanser."
Best wishes,
Dhammanando
retrofuturist wrote:Perhaps then, Papañca-Sūdanī may mean the cleansing of mental proliferation?
The -ī suffix in sūdanī indicates an actor rather than an action-noun, hence "cleanser."
Best wishes,
Dhammanando
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Re: Sūdanī
by retrofuturist » Thu Dec 10, 2009 7:41 am
Brilliant - thanks bhante!
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Retro.
Metta,
Retro.
If you have asked me of the origination of unease, then I shall explain it to you in accordance with my understanding:
Whatever various forms of unease there are in the world, They originate founded in encumbering accumulation. (Pārāyanavagga)
'We should not congratulate someone on the success of their misdeeds, but on the contrary should endeavour to advise him or her to lead a more skilful and wholesome life. If such advice is ignored then we can only give up and let go' - Phra Panyapatipo
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Whatever various forms of unease there are in the world, They originate founded in encumbering accumulation. (Pārāyanavagga)
'We should not congratulate someone on the success of their misdeeds, but on the contrary should endeavour to advise him or her to lead a more skilful and wholesome life. If such advice is ignored then we can only give up and let go' - Phra Panyapatipo
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Re: Sūdanī
by Dhammanando » Mon Dec 14, 2009 8:00 am
Dhammanando wrote:Hi Retro,retrofuturist wrote:Perhaps then, Papañca-Sūdanī may mean the cleansing of mental proliferation?
The -ī suffix in sūdanī indicates an actor rather than an action-noun, hence "cleanser."
A correction: since there's no 'h' in sūdanī "cleanser" isn't correct. The word comes from the root *sūd not *sodh. Hence, "Eradicator/Destroyer of Papañca". Also, I suspect papañca here is intended in its broad sense of impediment or stumbling block, rather than its narrow sense of diffuseness or proliferation.
Best wishes,
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