However even people who prescribe these medications have very poor success with and very little knowledge about these medications, and when and where to use them. My main concerns are mentioned above, so I won't get too into the drugs now, though they are very much related, but if we get into the drugs, there is a wealth of information about how harmful they are, and how they often make people have more problems and exacerbate the old ones. Also, if one wants to reserve medication to times when only medication is helpful, if it ever is, modern psychiatry and professionals should be avoided. Hospitals use them not only when they are necessary for subduing a patient, but use them almost immediately, often without having seen a doctor, on harmless patients. I think outside of hospitals they are encouraged in the absence of hallucinations. After being put on them, patients are usually discouraged incredible amounts, or forbidden, from getting off of them for months or years, even in the (numerous) cases with bad reactions.We are not skilled enough to deal with people who are seriously ill where ONLY medication can reduce the onslaught of hallucinations or great desperation, I am sorry I have to say this.
And while recovering, he may study and find out how to avoid circumstances which bring him back into the hospital.
For the most part this sounds okay, however an attitude has been espoused here, including by a moderator, that people here are not able to give advice on this issue
however advising one to seek assistance from doctors seems regularly permitted or encouraged. Doctors in this case means psychiatrists I think.
I think this results from unfamiliarity with just how our modern psychiatric system works and ignorance regarding how deficient and harmful, and misinformed it is.
So, some kind of rewording of the TOS might be a good idea, otherwise I guess leave it as is...
TOS are following generally accepted standards, advising members to direct people to their doctor, or mental health provider.
but who would you advise people to see as a standard TOS?
it is obvious, that you have a bone to pick with psychiatric hospitals and specialists, perhaps from own sad experience, who knows, and no system is perfect, and you also may have points, but again, there is little or no alternative, and this forum is not it.
Heavy doses of very potent drugs for someone actively psychotic may be far better than the alternatives. As for the rest, cultivation of healthier states of mind are very much in keeping with the Dhamma.I guess I am suggesting that in this case the TOS deviate from generally accepted standards, in favor of a more helpful, realistic approach. Modern mental health systems often fly in the face of dhamma. I.E. heavy doses of very potent drugs, "positive thinking," self-affirmation, frivolous socialization, not thinking about death, and some more.
Heavy doses of very potent drugs for someone actively psychotic may be far better than the alternatives. As for the rest, cultivation of healthier states of mind are very much in keeping with the Dhamma.
altar wrote:Laurens, I am not insisting that we are qualified to treat them (some of us might be, some might not). I am insisting that the mental health system's competency in this area be taken into question, or else not recommended. The techniques used today have poor success rates, and are not as tried and true as more physically related medicine. It is a simpler issue with physical health; the problem is more or less confined to the body. For instance, you have frostbite, you cut off the foot. In mental health, most doctors wish to treat the mind through the body. As for the other half--treating the mind with the mind; this is very much a part of the Buddha's teaching, so it's really not so inapplicable as people are making it out to be.
Even many doctors criticize common psychiatric practices.
I think that it is actually maybe necessary for someone to research modern psychiatry before recommending people go to them, and I would appreciate if people would take the time to do this before saying, "doctors are the appropriate place to go if you have mental health issues." Most likely they will find that it is not something as reliable as other fields of science, and that, whereas in some fields of science, I think, studies support their methods, in psychiatry, this is often not the case.
People are insisting that doctors are the right place to go. Doctors who deal with mental health are generally psychiatrists, I think. So I'm simply questioning psychiatrical practices, stating that they are often harmful and not in accordance with the dhamma, and people should not be pointed towards them [exclusively and unreservedly] as the by-line.
Laurens wrote:I think those rules are in place simply because we are Buddhists, not doctors. If a person is suffering from mental health issues we are not qualified to offer advice. Because the majority of us are unqualified to treat or offer advice to people suffering from mental illness, it could potentially result in someone giving harmful advice (I don't mean that people here might offer malicious advice, rather that the person due to their mental health issues may interpret advice wrongly and this could create more problems etc).
I believe the most compassionate advice a Buddhist can give to anyone who is ill, is to say 'go to the doctor', there is no exception with mental health problems, just because we meditate doesn't mean we are qualified to treat them.
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