And I have three more questions to Vinaya pundits
If a monk-to-be doesn't have a permission, is his ordination valid in following cases?
1) He knowingly lies that he has a permission (when asked in Pali at a formal ceremony).
2) He doesn't know that permission is necessary and just says "yes" in Pali as he was taught to, not understanding the meaning of question.
3) He wasn't asked about permission at the ordination (e.g. if preceptor has forgotten to ask that or knowingly omitted this question).
As far as I understand in third case preceptor commits a dukkata offenсe, but what about a newly-ordained bhikkhu then?