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Atheism is...

Postby Individual » Sun Jan 25, 2009 12:51 am

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Re: Atheism is...

Postby Element » Sun Jan 25, 2009 1:30 am

I believe in the elements. There are only natural elements. Belief in 'god' is a form of spiritual intoxication or drunkeness.

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Re: Atheism is...

Postby Cittasanto » Sun Jan 25, 2009 9:31 am

how about each to their own, religion or more specific religions have done some bad things, but that is not all religions, many people forget that it isn't what ever god that done these things but the people who believe in these certain things. Gods if they exist or not is not important and blamimg such beings is not an answer, nor is saying or believing such beings do or do not exist an answer, an answer is understanding, standing up when the mass is ready to fight and pointing out that hate never conquered hate it only ever bread more hate, and finding a way to make a division is the breeder of hate.
A point missed with the use of the quote attributed to the Buddha, which does sound familiar to two different places in the Suttas (Kalama, and Dhammapada) so it is probably the translation this person used, and if it holds true to the Meaning what is the problem if it isn't how you think it should be?


He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them.
But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion …
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He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them … he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.

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Re: Atheism is...

Postby Individual » Sun Jan 25, 2009 4:47 pm

The best things in life aren't things.


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Re: Atheism is...

Postby clw_uk » Sun Jan 25, 2009 9:12 pm

Atheism is a folly as you can never prove that a god does not exsist nor can you prove that he does. You can only be agnostic. This is the best way really because if there is a god or not it doesnt really matter.
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Re: Atheism is...

Postby genkaku » Sun Jan 25, 2009 10:30 pm

Atheism, like theism, presupposes belief and belief creates separations. I think that Buddhist practice is useful in the sense that it clarifies what anyone might imagine is somehow separate.

Both atheism and theism remind me of the old beer commercial -- "tastes good, less filling." Tastes good means there may be plenty of social agreement available ... plenty of comrades to put the stamp of approval on atheism or theism. It can be quite inspiring, quite cozy. But the separation implicit in such beliefs may leave people (to refer back to another old ad) wondering, "where's the beef?" Buddhist practice puts meat on the bone and fills the hungry stomach, I'd say.

How's that for enough-metaphors-to-choke-a-horse? :)
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Re: Atheism is...

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He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them.
But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion …
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He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them … he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.

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Re: Atheism is...

Postby Rui Sousa » Mon Jan 26, 2009 1:09 pm

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Re: Atheism is...

Postby bodom » Mon Jan 26, 2009 4:20 pm

To study is to know the texts,
To practice is to know your defilements,
To attain the goal is to know and let go.

- Ajahn Lee Dhammadharo


With mindfulness immersed in the body
well established, restrained
with regard to the six media of contact,
always centered, the monk
can know Unbinding for himself.

- Ud 3.5


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Re: Atheism is...

Postby Individual » Mon Jan 26, 2009 5:36 pm

The best things in life aren't things.


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Re: Atheism is...

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He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them.
But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion …
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He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them … he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.

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Re: Atheism is...

Postby appicchato » Tue Jan 27, 2009 5:49 am

Weary: To grow tired; to become exhausted or impatient; as, to weary of....

Wary: Cautious of danger; carefully watching and guarding against deception, artifices, and dangers; timorously or suspiciously prudent; circumspect; scrupulous; careful...

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Re: Atheism is...

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He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them.
But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion …
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He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them … he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.

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Re: Atheism is...

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Re: Atheism is...

Postby Cittasanto » Tue Jan 27, 2009 3:29 pm



He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them.
But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion …
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He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them … he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.

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Re: Atheism is...

Postby Rui Sousa » Wed Jan 28, 2009 12:04 pm

Also, there is a difference between Common Sense and Good Sense.

Good Sense would be a wise decision or evaluation of a situation, it is the same as wisdom.

Common Sense is also called Vox Populi or Folklore and is the opinion shared by most people in some group of humans.

The video refers to Common Sense, so I agree with Individual: the Buddha clearly stated NOT to go by Common Sense.
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Re: Atheism is...

Postby Cittasanto » Wed Jan 28, 2009 6:36 pm



He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them.
But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion …
...
He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them … he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.

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Re: Atheism is...

Postby Rui Sousa » Wed Jan 28, 2009 11:46 pm

Dear manapa,

I feel like there are some language issues that may be misleading, I am translating from Portuguese to English as I write, and the same word may have very different meanings in each language. Expressions which may seem to mean the same, do not; and equivalent expressions are used to express different ideas.

In Portuguese "senso comum" (common sense) can be interchanged with "sabedoria popular" (popular wisdom), which has the same meaning as "voz do povo" (popular voice or vox populi). This has certainly biased me when writing my previous post.
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