Hi Folks
I've just came from a dhamma talk by Ajahn Sumedho. Has anybody else gone too?
It was very hot and humid but I am very happy I went. It was an excellent talk, I thought, very down to earth and pertinent. He talked a fair bit about recognizing our conditioning and about mindfulness. About recognizing the limitations of our human condition and working with them. Not once did he say anything negative, "wrong this", "bad that". Kind of like a kindly encouraging grandfather.
One thing he said is that greed, anger and sexual desire don't go away even if you are enlightened. You just see clearly for what they are. I've heard this from other teachers in different traditions and it seems to me to be at odds with the Buddha's teaching both in Theravada and Mahayana. But I am slowly learning not to be bothered by such things.
All in all, a human being I can happily prostrate to.
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Ajahn Sumedho's talk in Melbourne
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Re: Ajahn Sumedho's talk in Melbourne
Ditto...Dan74 wrote:All in all, a human being I can happily prostrate to.
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Re: Ajahn Sumedho's talk in Melbourne
And, therefore, don't act on them.. (that goes without saying, yes ? )greed, anger and sexual desire don't go away even if you are enlightened. You just see clearly for what they are.
Glad to hear that you had a good day - despite the heat.
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Re: Ajahn Sumedho's talk in Melbourne
Greetings,
Glad to see the talk actually went ahead!
Metta,
Retro.
Glad to see the talk actually went ahead!
Perhaps he was referring to sekhas, who are the stream-entrants, once-returners and non-returners.Dan74 wrote:One thing he said is that greed, anger and sexual desire don't go away even if you are enlightened. You just see clearly for what they are.
Metta,
Retro.
"Whatever is true, whatever is noble, whatever is right, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is admirable—if anything is excellent or praiseworthy—think about such things."
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Blog, Suttas, Aj Chah, Facebook.
He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them.
But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion …
...
He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them … he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.
John Stuart Mill
He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them.
But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion …
...
He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them … he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.
John Stuart Mill
Re: Ajahn Sumedho's talk in Melbourne
Did he mention the WA incident?
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Bankei
Bankei
Re: Ajahn Sumedho's talk in Melbourne
Yes, and it was well-attended too!retrofuturist wrote:Greetings,
Glad to see the talk actually went ahead!
Dan74 wrote:One thing he said is that greed, anger and sexual desire don't go away even if you are enlightened. You just see clearly for what they are.
Metta,
Retro.
The Chapel is not air-conditioned and a few people left because they couldn't stand the heat, but he (at 75) didn't seem to be bothered at all.
Possibly. His talk was very accessible with the two Pali words - Dhamma and dukkha (well three including Buddha). He is not an entertainer like Ajahn Brahm whom I also like, but has an entirely different way of communicating the message. Ajahn Sumedho's was a gentle down-to-earth perspective. Very non-condescending, non-judgmental and encouraging.Perhaps he was referring to sekhas, who are the stream-entrants, once-returners and non-returners.
What impressed me most was not what he said (which I have heard before) but the attitude he conveyed which illuminated my own obstacles in practice and conveyed a very healthy approach.
It was a similar feeling when I heard Ven Sheng-Yen speak in Doncaster 6 years ago or so. I guess these are the people who have matured spiritually, people who've realized a fair bit of panna.
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Re: Ajahn Sumedho's talk in Melbourne
Dan74 wrote:What impressed me most was not what he said (which I have heard before) but the attitude he conveyed which illuminated my own obstacles in practice and conveyed a very healthy approach.
This is exactly the sense I got when I was at Amaravati!
a friend of mine gave me his book called the four noble truths, which can be gotten online, which is almost like hearing him speak, it is a transcribed book, and very useful (retro - may clear up how people have described what he was talking about).
he is almost akin to a smiling baby (except bigger and with teeth )
Blog, Suttas, Aj Chah, Facebook.
He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them.
But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion …
...
He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them … he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.
John Stuart Mill
He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them.
But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion …
...
He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them … he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.
John Stuart Mill
Re: Ajahn Sumedho's talk in Melbourne
No he didn't.Bankei wrote:Did he mention the WA incident?
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Re: Ajahn Sumedho's talk in Melbourne
The official statement which he oversaw, is here:Bankei wrote:Did he mention the WA incident?
The Gathering of the Elders, Dec. 2009.
http://www.forestsangha.org/index.php?o ... 5&Itemid=8" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
and also now here:
http://www.buddhistchannel.tv/index.php ... 91,0,0,1,0" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
metta
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Re: Ajahn Sumedho's talk in Melbourne
I dont know how it is for others, but when with people like Luang Por Chah or Luang Pur Suemedho all the talk about practice, all the politics, all the opinion making and speculation fades into the background and I am reminded of why I do this stuff. There in front of you is a living exemplar. An embodiment of Dhamma. and instead of wanting to put him on a pedestal merely, I want to know what he knows.
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PeterB wrote:I dont know how it is for others, but when with people like Luang Por Chah or Luang Pur Suemedho all the talk about practice, all the politics, all the opinion making and speculation fades into the background and I am reminded of why I do this stuff. There in front of you is a living exemplar. An embodiment of Dhamma. and instead of wanting to put him on a pedestal merely, I want to know what he knows.
Blog, Suttas, Aj Chah, Facebook.
He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them.
But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion …
...
He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them … he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.
John Stuart Mill
He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them.
But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion …
...
He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them … he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.
John Stuart Mill
Re: Ajahn Sumedho's talk in Melbourne
Hi PeterPeterB wrote:I dont know how it is for others, but when with people like Luang Por Chah or Luang Pur Suemedho all the talk about practice, all the politics, all the opinion making and speculation fades into the background and I am reminded of why I do this stuff. There in front of you is a living exemplar. An embodiment of Dhamma. and instead of wanting to put him on a pedestal merely, I want to know what he knows.
Totally agree
This is how we all feel about our damma teachers no matter who they are, its what attracted me in the first place here in Australia to Ajahn Brahm and Bhante Sujato
Hi Manapaby Manapa » Thu Dec 17, 2009 10:41 am
This is exactly the sense I got when I was at Amaravati!
a friend of mine gave me his book called the four noble truths, which can be gotten online, which is almost like hearing him speak, it is a transcribed book, and very useful (retro - may clear up how people have described what he was talking about).
Isn't it funny, when you mentioned the book Four Noble Truths it rang a bell, when I first wanted to find out more about Buddhism and was inundated with information this was the book that made the most sense .... excellent publication ... I'm sorry to say I never knew who Ajahn Sumedho was until the Bhukkhuni ordination debate
Finding out more about each of out teachers maybe one of the many good things to come out of all of this
With Metta
Bill
"Complaining is finding faults, wisdom is finding solutions" Ajahn Brahm
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There wasn't any copies of his 4NT while I was there (amaravati) out so didn't pick one up then, I am taking my time reading it though! had it two weeks and still not read it fully.
Blog, Suttas, Aj Chah, Facebook.
He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them.
But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion …
...
He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them … he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.
John Stuart Mill
He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them.
But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion …
...
He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them … he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.
John Stuart Mill