Chula wrote:I've been practicing the eight precepts recently and what constitutes the five tonics came up... I was having dark chocolate with no milk in it, but was reading through the relevant section in the Vinaya and was struck by this:
"According to Mv.VI.16.1, even if the sugar has a little flour mixed in with it simply to make it firmer — as sometimes happens in sugar cubes and blocks of palm sugar — it is still classed as a tonic as long as it is still regarded simply as "sugar." If the mixture is regarded as something else — candy, for instance — it counts as a food and may not be eaten after noon of the day on which it is received."
http://www.accesstoinsight.org/lib/auth ... .html#NP23
Doesn't this mean all chocolate is out? It also doesn't seem to be open to interpretation.
On a somewhat separate note, I know conjey is praised in the Vinaya (http://www.dhammawiki.com/index.php?tit ... _of_conjey) and even in those days when monks only had one meal-a-day they used to have conjey in the mornings.. I was wondering if something similar (like oatmeal for example) is used in the West using the Great Standards.. This is obviously within the allowable time (sunrise to midday) - but I was interested since taking the Eight Precepts constitutes being a one-mealer (ekabatthika as the Arahants):
"'As long as they live, the arahants live on one meal a day, abstaining from food at night, refraining from food at the wrong time of day [from noon until dawn]. Today I too, for this day & night, live on one meal, abstaining from food at night, refraining from food at the wrong time of day. By means of this factor I emulate the arahants, and my Uposatha will be observed."
http://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka ... .than.html
alan wrote:Hope this question does not come off the wrong way, but it is another little thing that has been bugging me. I'd really to understand it.
Khalil Bodhi wrote:Incidentally, can you give any pointers as to where one might look for guidance on the issue of chocolate?
Dhammanando wrote:I think you've been misled by a translation of ekabhattika that is faithful to the wording (eka = one, bhatta = meal) but not to the meaning, for it conflates ekabhattika with ekaasanika.
Ekabhattika: "one-mealer" means eating only during one part of the day (from dawn to midday), but despite the wording it doesn't actually set any limit on how many meals are consumed during this period.
Ekaasanika: "one-session-eater" means eating just one meal a day.
And so all ekaasanikas are ekabhattikas, but not every ekabhattika is an ekaasanika. Ekaasanika is an optional dhutanga observance undertaken (chiefly) by the gluttonous, while ekabhattika is what the sixth precept entails and what arahants practise.
Dhammanando wrote:Khalil Bodhi wrote:Incidentally, can you give any pointers as to where one might look for guidance on the issue of chocolate?
Ven. Gavesako and I once discussed the chocolate question on an old E-sangha thread, but I don't know if it is cached anywhere. Here is what used to be the link for it: http://www.lioncity.net/buddhism/index.php?showtopic=68796
Bubbabuddhist wrote:I recall the chocolate discussion! There was mention of debate on whether milk chocolate qualified or if only dark chocolate counted, also if chocolate was medicine or food. As I recalled, this thread also brought into discussion the topic of urine as medicine. Too bad it was lost.
Medicine: A bhikkhu's life depends on fermented urine as medicine. So he should take fermented urine as medicine and make an effort to practise dhamma. But there are special allowances: they are ghee, fresh butter, oil, honey and molasses. Having formally accepted them, he is to take them as medicine within seven days at most. On the seventh day he shall give them away. However, he may use them externally after the seventh day.
He can also take any allowable indigenous or Western medicine donated by devotees out of their faith in the Buddha sasana.
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