Did Christ come to India to study Buddhism, Vedas?

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Did Christ come to India to study Buddhism, Vedas?

Postby bodhabill » Fri Dec 25, 2009 8:17 am

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Re: Did Christ come to India to study Buddhism, Vedas?

Postby Cittasanto » Fri Dec 25, 2009 9:22 am

it is doubtful but not impossible!


He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them.
But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion …
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He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them … he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.

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Re: Did Christ come to India to study Buddhism, Vedas?

Postby PeterB » Fri Dec 25, 2009 10:09 am

I'll stick my neck out here.....NO.

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Re: Did Christ come to India to study Buddhism, Vedas?

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Re: Did Christ come to India to study Buddhism, Vedas?

Postby Kare » Fri Dec 25, 2009 2:36 pm

The question is rather: Did this person Jesus ever exist? If you read Earl Doherty, "The Jesus Puzzle", you will see that there are strong reasons for doubting the existence of an historical Jesus. And if this person never existed, we can drop all questions about his travels ...

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Re: Did Christ come to India to study Buddhism, Vedas?

Postby notself » Fri Dec 25, 2009 4:31 pm

Evidently Yeshua was a common name at the time.

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Re: Did Christ come to India to study Buddhism, Vedas?

Postby PeterB » Fri Dec 25, 2009 5:04 pm

This question and variations on it used to crop up regularly on E Sangha. It always puzzled me. Apart from the most generalised expressions of good will to ones fellow humans I have never seen any resemblence at all between the teachings of the Buddha and those of Jesus, and any resemblance apparantly seen by Thich Naht Hahn or the Dalai Lama it seems to me are largely the result of ignoring the vast differences at the expense of a few points of commonality. I think that it is often an issue for those who have not resolved their feelings about Christianity.

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Re: Did Christ come to India to study Buddhism, Vedas?

Postby alan » Fri Dec 25, 2009 5:23 pm

How the heck long would have taken to travel that distance anyway?
How would the family sustain itself?
Why would they even have done it in the first place?
Gotta give a big fat NO to this theory.

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Re: Did Christ come to India to study Buddhism, Vedas?

Postby Monkey Mind » Fri Dec 25, 2009 5:40 pm

For those who have not permanently sworn off entertainments, I recommend Christoper Moore's book "Lamb". 
"As I am, so are others;
as others are, so am I."
Having thus identified self and others,
harm no one nor have them harmed.

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Re: Did Christ come to India to study Buddhism, Vedas?

Postby pink_trike » Fri Dec 25, 2009 7:45 pm

The "Jesus" described in Christian mythology was allegorical - a re-visioning of an ancient conceptual devise that was used as a contextual container to put forth a social/moral code based on the idea of "as above, so below" - a devise far removed from the corruptions of religion and religiosity that grew out of it.
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Re: Did Christ come to India to study Buddhism, Vedas?

Postby pink_trike » Sat Dec 26, 2009 1:28 am

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Re: Did Christ come to India to study Buddhism, Vedas?

Postby Fede » Sat Dec 26, 2009 4:53 pm

There is some evidence to corroborate the high possibility that Shakyamuni Buddha did in fact, exist. (The Historical Buddha, H.W Schumann)


However, there is little or no evidence that Christ did.

at best, he might well be a composite of several personalities existent at the time. At worst, he is a personification or duplicate of various gods and deities, chiefly Mithras.

so I would say - No.
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Re: Did Christ come to India to study Buddhism, Vedas?

Postby pink_trike » Sat Dec 26, 2009 9:08 pm

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Re: Did Christ come to India to study Buddhism, Vedas?

Postby Fede » Sat Dec 26, 2009 9:30 pm

edit note:
Responding to Pink Trike, here.....

In whichever case, most of what we're discussing is therefore hypothesis, speculation and total guess-work (coupled with, I dare say, the odd fragment of wishful thinking....) :juggling:
Suffice to say we should gaze at the moon, and not the finger.
"Samsara: The human condition's heartbreaking inability to sustain contentment." Elizabeth Gilbert, 'Eat, Pray, Love'.

Simplify: 17 into 1 WILL go: Mindfulness!

Quieta movere magna merces videbatur. (Sallust, c.86-c.35 BC)
Translation: Just to stir things up seemed a good reward in itself. ;)

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Re: Did Christ come to India to study Buddhism, Vedas?

Postby Kim OHara » Sat Dec 26, 2009 10:32 pm

Judas,
When I look at your last two replies to me, one of them is objective/historical and the other is subjective/metaphorical. You can't have it both ways.
And the objective/historical one fails to respond to the point I made. It just repeats something you said before.
If I tell you three times that today is Wednesday, does that make my statement any more truthful?

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Re: Did Christ come to India to study Buddhism, Vedas?

Postby Cittasanto » Sat Dec 26, 2009 10:47 pm

Hi Kim there is a record (cant remember the name) of jesus being taken out of the country to a foregn land some say Egypt but the record gives another place but cant remember where? generally this is because of Herods census, but the bible passage you mention does indicate he was known well enough in the area for people to recognise him, so he would of at least had to of been there for some time prior, not just turn up 18years later. although the absence of information in the bible of these years and what is mentioned (40 days and night in the desert, and your passage) would indicate that he may of actually spent some time away practising 'spiritual life' at some point, or at least know enough about certain practices for him to have a basis for having a mystical experience which led him to teach.


He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them.
But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion …
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He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them … he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.

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Re: Did Christ come to India to study Buddhism, Vedas?

Postby Kim OHara » Sun Dec 27, 2009 4:51 am

Hi, Manapa,
Probability is one thing, likelihood another - but I compute them in pretty much the same way.

If the historicity of Jesus is dubious, I might give it a likelihood of 0.2
I might give the story that Jesus travelled to India a likelihood of 0.1, just on its own merits (and I think I'm being generous there).
That gives them a combined likelihood of 0.2 x 0.1 or 0.02

The likelihood that no-one said anything about this extended absence is independently about 0.05, I think.
Given the very poor correlation between his teachings and Indian thought, the likelihood that Indian teachings influenced Christianity is, independently again, about 0.05.
The combined likelihood of all these statements is 0.2 x 0.1 x 0.05 x 0.05, or 1 in 20 000

I didn't do the sums until just now, as a demonstration. My real thought processes were more like, 'that's unlikely and that's very unlikely so, taken together, they are so improbable that I can dismiss them.'

Okay, folks, can we get back to the dharma?

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Re: Did Christ come to India to study Buddhism, Vedas?

Postby catmoon » Sun Dec 27, 2009 11:29 am

Not without mentioning the Jewish historian Josephus, who mentioned the following:

3. (63) Now there was about this time Jesus, a wise man, if it be lawful to call him a man; for he was a doer of wonderful works, a teacher of such men as receive the truth with pleasure. He drew over to him both many of the Jews and many of the Gentiles. He was [the] Christ. (64) And when Pilate, at the suggestion of the principal men among us, had condemned him to the cross [2], those that loved him at the first did not forsake him; for he appeared to them alive again the third day [3], as the divine prophets had foretold these and ten thousand other wonderful things concerning him. And the tribe of Christians, so named for him, are not extinct at this day.

This is not from the Bible. It is independent history, paid for by Rome. Josephus lived from AD 37 to AD 100 and so is writing at about the same historical distance from the events as a modern writer would be, if his subject was WWII. Maybe less.


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