Why did you choose Theravada?

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Re: Why did you choose Theravada?

Postby Cittasanto » Sat Dec 26, 2009 11:00 am

Hi Peter
I believe that was a much later add on from the hindus who claimed he was an avatara of Vishnu, or which ever god it is, then others interpreted these sun-god ideas onto that! I have heard it claimed that the Buddha was born on the winter solstice, a claim I have only heard from those who look to zeitgist movies as the sharer of the truth on religion.


He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them.
But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion …
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He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them … he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.

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Re: Why did you choose Theravada?

Postby Kare » Sat Dec 26, 2009 12:25 pm

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He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them.
But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion …
...
He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them … he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.

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Re: Why did you choose Theravada?

Postby Cafael Dust » Sat Dec 26, 2009 1:14 pm

Not twice, not three times, not once,
the wheel is turning.

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Re: Why did you choose Theravada?

Postby Cafael Dust » Sat Dec 26, 2009 1:17 pm

Did the Buddha exist? Is reality consistent enough to make such questions valid?
Not twice, not three times, not once,
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Re: Why did you choose Theravada?

Postby Kare » Sat Dec 26, 2009 2:11 pm

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Re: Why did you choose Theravada?

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Re: Why did you choose Theravada?

Postby Cafael Dust » Sat Dec 26, 2009 4:39 pm

I'm not sure you follow my point. Why are we arguing about the illusion? Such an argument is fine for scholarship purposes, but it has no bearing on the path and shouldn't be attached to emotionally. Not saying that's what y'all are doing, but... well, not much else can be said, can it?
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Re: Why did you choose Theravada?

Postby alan » Sat Dec 26, 2009 5:39 pm

Well Well! thought I'd kick up a little dust and see what happened. And dust there is! Perhaps enough to obscure the original question, which should have been posited this way:
What is it about Mahayana that you've rejected?
Thought that might break the rules; hence the title.

As for this debate about the Buddha's real existence... never thought I'd ever see the question.
How is it possible to be a Buddhist and not believe He actually existed? Baffles me. I'd consider it a given.
What do you think--new topic, or just drop the matter?

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Re: Why did you choose Theravada?

Postby David N. Snyder » Sat Dec 26, 2009 5:55 pm

Archaeological evidence for the Buddha's existence:

1) The Edicts of Ashoka http://www.dhammawiki.com/index.php?tit ... _of_Ashoka
2) The fact that places mentioned in the Suttas, including the palace, etc. have been located (the ruins)

The Edicts of Ashoka were written only about 79 to 200 years after the parinibbana. Hard evidence, period, in my opinion.
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Re: Why did you choose Theravada?

Postby alan » Sat Dec 26, 2009 6:30 pm

My college training in philosophy lead to only two good things. One, It was so unfulfilling I quit to go travel and look for the truth myself.
Two, it taught me to be tough on assumptions. Examine, analyze. Do a rational overview. Question and probe.
Don't accept it until you can explain it clearly to someone else.
This habit of mind does not make me popular at cocktail parties, but does sometimes reap fruit, if I keep at it.
Thanks for your responses! I really appreciate this forum.

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Re: Why did you choose Theravada?

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Re: Why did you choose Theravada?

Postby cooran » Sat Dec 26, 2009 8:24 pm

---The trouble is that you think you have time---
---Worry is the Interest, paid in advance, on a debt you may never owe---
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Re: Why did you choose Theravada?

Postby pink_trike » Sat Dec 26, 2009 9:20 pm

Vision is Mind
Mind is Empty
Emptiness is Clear Light
Clear Light is Union
Union is Great Bliss

- Dawa Gyaltsen

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Disclaimer: I'm a non-religious practitioner of Theravada, Mahayana/Vajrayana, and Tibetan Bon Dzogchen mind-training.

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Re: Why did you choose Theravada?

Postby Cafael Dust » Sat Dec 26, 2009 9:29 pm

To be frank, once practice is established, I think any alignment with a particular mental object like Theravada or Mahayana or Buddhism is like grasping at handfuls of seaweed while one's raft moves with the tide. That's not to say the traditions can't be practiced without identification.
Not twice, not three times, not once,
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Re: Why did you choose Theravada?

Postby Dan74 » Sat Dec 26, 2009 11:46 pm

Regarding the Lotus Sutra if people are truly interested, it may be worthwhile to read the following (a letter by Hakuin, the great 18th Century Rinzai master):



The meaning may still be obscure, but perhaps one should not rush to reject it so hastily when it was held as the king of all sutras by people like Dogen and Hakuin, for example.

What occurs to me is that some passages, like those "flowery descriptions" are written in a deep samadhi, they are "ecstatic" rather than rational discourses. So they cannot be read in the same way as one reads for instance the Dhammacakkappavattana Sutta.

There is some material here if someone wants to do further study:




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