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Women can't become Buddhas?

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Re: Women can't be enlightened?

Postby Ngawang Drolma. » Mon Jan 26, 2009 4:41 am

I don't see why we have to tiptoe around the fact that most cultures on earth today are male-dominated. If I were a Buddha about to come here and teach I would choose a male form. Buddha's are wise [understatement here]. As I understand it, Buddhas are able to know all things that are knowable, and Lord Buddha explained what to expect in the future from teaching-buddhas.

If this is a horrid or politically incorrect thing to say, I'm sorry. I just don't see why anyone would find it disturbing, it's just how things are. There's been improvement regarding the position of women in society over time, but we've still got a ways to go.

Just my two cents :namaste:


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Re: Women can't be enlightened?

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Re: Women can't be enlightened?

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He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them.
But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion …
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He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them … he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.

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Re: Women can't be enlightened?

Postby jcsuperstar » Mon Jan 26, 2009 9:03 am

i guess this is a modern phenomenon but i keep comming across asian teachers saying females make better meditators then men, that they advance quicker.
i mostly see it in burmese traditions
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Re: Women can't be enlightened?

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Re: Women can't be enlightened?

Postby Will » Mon Jan 26, 2009 4:30 pm

I did not read the entire thread very closely, so pardon if this point was already raised.

Gotama Buddha was not eager to have a bhikkuni order. He even said it would shorten or weaken his Dhamma (something like that). Perhaps it was only the quality of women in his time, perhaps not.
A bodhisattva does not become weary of evil beings nor does he commit the error of bringing forth thoughts inclined to reject them and cast them aside. Avatamsaka Sutra, ch. 25

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Re: Women can't be enlightened?

Postby Jason » Mon Jan 26, 2009 4:36 pm

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Re: Women can't be enlightened?

Postby piotr » Mon Jan 26, 2009 5:07 pm

Hi,

It seems to me that the statement "It is impossible that a woman should be the perfect rightfully Enlightened One", is unendearing and disagreeable to some people here. Therefore I would like to raise another question regarding this matter. Since Tathāgata's speech, according to Abhaya-sutta (), is only about what is both factual, true, & beneficial, then what is beneficial and conducive to the practice in this statement? I don't think that it was meant to despise anybody.
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Re: Women can't be enlightened?

Postby Jason » Mon Jan 26, 2009 5:28 pm

That is a good question, piotr.
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Re: Women can't be enlightened?

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