Why did you choose Theravada?

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Re: Why did you choose Theravada?

Postby Mawkish1983 » Mon Dec 28, 2009 5:43 pm

Fede wrote:If it all helps, why knock it?

Gets my vote :). I am learning more and more that the traditions aren't as clear-cut as I once believed. I guess in the end it simply doesn't matter as long as progress towards the goal is made (particularly at my level where I struggle with the simplest of practices, adhering to the five precepts!).

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Re: Why did you choose Theravada?

Postby Vardali » Mon Dec 28, 2009 9:38 pm

Peter is asking, perhaps rightly so, what's in it for PT from posting on this forum.

While I couldn't even venture a guess, I would like to say, though, that I very much appreciate his posts.
Being an absolute beginner on Theravada groundwork, I find his pointers to pehaps looking at things from a different pespective very interesting and often thought-provoking. :)

And his disclaimer regarding him not being a relgious/orthodox practitioner is also clearly sated, so there is little risk of confusion there. So, I am grateful for his padticipation here.

Just my 0.02 Euro on OT comment, just to balance the "vibes" ... :D

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Re: Why did you choose Theravada?

Postby poto » Tue Dec 29, 2009 2:00 am

As to the debate over the historical Buddha. I have a hard time believing that no historical Buddha existed.

For anybody interested in a bit of history, here's a link to a photo-tour of some ancient Buddhist sites in India:
http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/travelogu ... adh-2.html

Which I initially discovered from a mention on Ven. Dhammika's blog:
http://sdhammika.blogspot.com/2009/12/t ... gadha.html

I found the photo-tour interesting and inspiring. Although, it's not solid proof of a historical Buddha, I do find it reassuring that so many of those ancient places which the Buddha is said to have frequented have been identified. Maybe some day I'll be able to tour those places and see them for myself. :D
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Re: Why did you choose Theravada?

Postby BlackBird » Tue Dec 29, 2009 3:47 am

As to the debate over the historical Buddha. I have a hard time believing that no historical Buddha existed.

From the bits and bobs I have read of the Sutta Pitaka it's been clear to me that when all the stock passages are taken away this whole Dhamma really does seem to originate from one voice. I don't think I can even try to entertain doubts that the voice that discovered this Dhamma was indeed one who has known and seen the world and human condition for what it is. I cannot see another possibility :shrug:

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Re: Why did you choose Theravada?

Postby Ben » Tue Dec 29, 2009 3:56 am

Hi Jack
When you get some time, have a look around for Richard Gombrich's How Buddhism Began: the conditioned genesis of the early teachings. It'll be well worth your while.
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Learn this from the waters:
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Taṃ nadīhi vijānātha:
sobbhesu padaresu ca,
saṇantā yanti kusobbhā,
tuṇhīyanti mahodadhī.

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Re: Why did you choose Theravada?

Postby Calahand » Tue Dec 29, 2009 4:35 am

alan wrote:What I'd really like to know is, are there specific Mahayana concepts that anyone here rejected? If so, why?
Web searches have resulted in "there isn't really a big difference" articles, but surely there must be.
Thanks!

well in my view, some traditions in mahayana almost view the buddha as a God, which I don't like, and theravada emphasizes more on logic/see it for yourself type an ideology than mahayana.

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Re: Why did you choose Theravada?

Postby BlackBird » Tue Dec 29, 2009 4:37 am

Hi Ben

Did an online search at Otago Uni library website and 11 of Gombrich's works are available for e-book download.
Woo hoo, guess where my weekend is going :D

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"For a disciple who has conviction in the Teacher's message & lives to penetrate it, what accords with the Dhamma is this:
'The Blessed One is the Teacher, I am a disciple. He is the one who knows, not I." - MN. 70 Kitagiri Sutta

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Re: Why did you choose Theravada?

Postby Reductor » Tue Dec 29, 2009 4:39 am

Ben wrote:Hi Jack
When you get some time, have a look around for Richard Gombrich's How Buddhism Began: the conditioned genesis of the early teachings. It'll be well worth your while.
metta

Ben


Stop, Ben, Stop! I can only afford so many books :tongue: Just ordered the Visudhimagga and "The heart of Buddhist meditation".

EDIT: Jack, do you have a link? I can always use a link. Thanks.
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Re: Why did you choose Theravada?

Postby tiltbillings » Tue Dec 29, 2009 4:42 am

BlackBird wrote:Hi Ben

Did an online search at Otago Uni library website and 11 of Gombrich's works are available for e-book download.
Woo hoo, guess where my weekend is going :D

metta
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Link, please.
This being is bound to samsara, kamma is his means for going beyond.
SN I, 38.

Ar scáth a chéile a mhaireas na daoine.
People live in one another’s shelter.

dheamhan a fhios agam

"We eat cold eels and think distant thoughts." -- Jack Johnson

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Re: Why did you choose Theravada?

Postby BlackBird » Tue Dec 29, 2009 4:51 am

Sorry to be a downer, but upon closer examination there's only three, one of such being the afformentioned work. Also requires my university account/pw to view.

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Re: Why did you choose Theravada?

Postby Ben » Tue Dec 29, 2009 4:54 am

thereductor wrote:
Ben wrote:Hi Jack
When you get some time, have a look around for Richard Gombrich's How Buddhism Began: the conditioned genesis of the early teachings. It'll be well worth your while.
metta

Ben


Stop, Ben, Stop! I can only afford so many books :tongue: Just ordered the Visudhimagga and "The heart of Buddhist meditation".

Have you seen the thread I started on Satipatthana: the direct path of realization?
Its another brilliant work. Put it on your wish list!

jack wrote:Woo hoo, guess where my weekend is going

Don't be so antisocial Jack!
Its our birthday weekend, its time to get your party hat on!
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Learn this from the waters:
in mountain clefts and chasms,
loud gush the streamlets,
but great rivers flow silently.

Taṃ nadīhi vijānātha:
sobbhesu padaresu ca,
saṇantā yanti kusobbhā,
tuṇhīyanti mahodadhī.

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Re: Why did you choose Theravada?

Postby BlackBird » Tue Dec 29, 2009 4:57 am

Sounds good, we can crank up the volume on the stereo, put Metta sutta on full blat.

We havin' cookies and fizz? I can bring a cheesecake
"For a disciple who has conviction in the Teacher's message & lives to penetrate it, what accords with the Dhamma is this:
'The Blessed One is the Teacher, I am a disciple. He is the one who knows, not I." - MN. 70 Kitagiri Sutta

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Re: Why did you choose Theravada?

Postby Ben » Tue Dec 29, 2009 5:02 am

Sure Jack
We're preparing some low key 'events' - so to speak!
More to follow!!
Learn this from the waters:
in mountain clefts and chasms,
loud gush the streamlets,
but great rivers flow silently.

Taṃ nadīhi vijānātha:
sobbhesu padaresu ca,
saṇantā yanti kusobbhā,
tuṇhīyanti mahodadhī.

Sutta Nipata 3.725

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Re: Why did you choose Theravada?

Postby alan » Tue Dec 29, 2009 5:47 pm

Hi Ben.
That book looks like it would help answer a lot of my questions. However...
$150 US on Amazon.com.
ouch.

links, anyone?

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Re: Why did you choose Theravada?

Postby poto » Tue Dec 29, 2009 6:05 pm

alan wrote:Hi Ben.
That book looks like it would help answer a lot of my questions. However...
$150 US on Amazon.com.
ouch.

links, anyone?


The closest I could find was the google book's preview, which only has a handful pages, but might be better than nothing.
http://books.google.com/books?id=aIOY5g ... q=&f=false

I spent a solid hour last night looking for free copy of it that I could download, but no dice. Although, I did find a number of other dhamma books that looked interesting, and now have a solid month's worth of new reading material.
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Re: Why did you choose Theravada?

Postby catmoon » Wed Dec 30, 2009 4:56 am

:focus:


Just to be different, I thought I'd throw in my 2 bits worth.

In response to the OP: I didn't.

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Re: Why did you choose Theravada?

Postby chownah » Wed Dec 30, 2009 2:21 pm

In Russia Theravada chooses YOU.
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Re: Why did you choose Theravada?

Postby Sanghamitta » Wed Dec 30, 2009 3:40 pm

chownah wrote:In Russia Theravada chooses YOU.
chownah

Not just in Russia. :smile:

From my earliest exposure to Buddhadhamma I was attracted to the Theravada. Similarly I was not at all attracted to concepts like Buddha Nature or the Bodhisattva idea, they seemed to me to be completely speculative. It was not though a question of rejection those ideas per se, it was more a question of finding no use for them or appeal in them.
The going for refuge is the door of entrance to the teachings of the Buddha.

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Re: Why did you choose Theravada?

Postby dspiewak » Wed Dec 30, 2009 9:02 pm

I first learned about Buddhism through non-Theravada sources (books, magazines, etc.) and I always found the Zen approach appealing. When I met my first monk, however, he was in the Theravada tradition, and the type of meditation he taught was both totally workable and genuinely produced results. I have been observing with our town's small Theravada community ever since. Bodhisattvas, Pure Lands, Mahayana sutras, esoteric practices, and even Sanskrit to some extent now just seem utterly alien to me.

I realize that it's just personal preference. For some people, Zen or Pure Land or Nichiren might be ideal. I don't pretend that Theravada is better for every single person, but it is good for me. I like its emphasis on tradition, meditation, and its constant return to the basic formulas of the Dhamma. I think perhaps it just satisfies certain desires for me, until the day when I no longer have those desires.

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Re: Why did you choose Theravada?

Postby seanpdx » Wed Dec 30, 2009 9:10 pm

dspiewak wrote:I think perhaps it just satisfies certain desires for me, until the day when I no longer have those desires.


Well put! =D


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