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"Luminous mind" was Question Regarding God and Agnosticism?

Exploring Theravāda's connections to other paths. What can we learn from other traditions, religions and philosophies?
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Re: "Luminous mind" was Question Regarding God and Agnosticism?

Postby christopher::: » Wed Dec 30, 2009 4:26 pm

"As Buddhists, we should aim to develop relationships that are not predominated by grasping and clinging. Our relationships should be characterised by the brahmaviharas of metta (loving kindness), mudita (sympathetic joy), karuna (compassion), and upekkha (equanimity)."
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Postby Cittasanto » Wed Dec 30, 2009 4:48 pm



He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them.
But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion …
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He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them … he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.

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Re: "Luminous mind" was Question Regarding God and Agnosticism?

Postby Sanghamitta » Wed Dec 30, 2009 4:53 pm

The going for refuge is the door of entrance to the teachings of the Buddha.

Bhikku Bodhi.

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Postby alan » Wed Dec 30, 2009 5:36 pm

Jechbi-- In this context I'm saying it is so much easier to proliferate ideas, concepts, and thoughts within the Mahayana. "Emptiness", "Original Nature", etc. They don't really give us any way to judge them. Too easy to just go off on a non-rational rant. Within the Therevada, however, claims must be backed up. That is why I say there are many more ways for the mind to proliferate
outside Therevada.
Don't see anything dangerous or conceited about that.

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Postby Cafael Dust » Wed Dec 30, 2009 5:38 pm

I think my mistake has been in conflating the results of nibbana with nibbana itself, which literally translated from Pali means 'no craving' or 'blowing out (of the fires of craving). (source: http://www.scribd.com/doc/515409/The-WA ... -Venerable and http://www.google.com/search?client=saf ... 8&oe=UTF-8 )

Love, luminous consciousness, which I would call the ground of being, result from nibbana, but nibbana itself is not the ground of being, it is the absence of craving and therefore absence of conscious turning away from exactly what is happening right now.

One more thing, to defend my use of the word 'love' to describe nibbana, Buddha does say one telling thing. He says upon reaching nibbana 'my heart is utterly set free'. Well that's how I would define love.
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Postby Sanghamitta » Wed Dec 30, 2009 5:38 pm

Nor do I Alan.
The going for refuge is the door of entrance to the teachings of the Buddha.

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Postby alan » Wed Dec 30, 2009 6:03 pm

Jechbi,
Not sure if you are using the concept of Kamma correctly.
As for platforms, pretty sure I introduced a similar idea several pages back. Maybe it was another thread, but the basic idea is this: are there many paths up the mountain, or just one? I'm going to say case closed--there is only one. So that leaves us with this this: those who like to pick and choose from different beliefs--are you sure you can trust yourselves to make the right choices?
It's potentially perilous!

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He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them.
But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion …
...
He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them … he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.

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Postby cooran » Wed Dec 30, 2009 7:38 pm

Hello all,

These Suttas and articles on Nibbana may be of interest:

Nibbana
http://www.accesstoinsight.org/index-su ... ml#nibbana

metta
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Postby Cafael Dust » Wed Dec 30, 2009 9:38 pm

How do you interpret 'my heart is utterly set free?'

Tilt, if it's meaningless to claim other paths lead to enlightenment without proof, why is it not equally so to claim the opposite? Do you have proof?
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He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them.
But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion …
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He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them … he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.

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He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them.
But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion …
...
He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them … he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.

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Postby Ben » Thu Dec 31, 2009 2:52 am

“No lists of things to be done. The day providential to itself. The hour. There is no later. This is later. All things of grace and beauty such that one holds them to one's heart have a common provenance in pain. Their birth in grief and ashes.”
- Cormac McCarthy, The Road

Learn this from the waters:
in mountain clefts and chasms,
loud gush the streamlets,
but great rivers flow silently.
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