"Luminous mind" was Question Regarding God and Agnosticism?

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Re: "Luminous mind" was Question Regarding God and Agnosticism?

Postby alan » Thu Dec 31, 2009 6:08 pm

I don't think Cafael is a troll, in the sense that he is just messing with us for the pleasure of disruption.
Cafael is real enough to speak well in English, which is not his first language, I suppose.
But Cafael has gone far beyond rationality and is probably delusional.
"Oh, sorry, can you repeat the question?"
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Re: "Luminous mind" was Question Regarding God and Agnosticism?

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He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them.
But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion …
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He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them … he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.

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Re: "Luminous mind" was Question Regarding God and Agnosticism?

Postby Cafael Dust » Thu Dec 31, 2009 7:09 pm

I've been looking back through the thread to find questions I was asked but haven't answered:

'is enlightenment empty?'

Yes. It's just a way of describing experience. Descriptions as a category are empty, void of essence.

'provide assertions for your statement 'nibbana is love' from the Pali Canon'.

Well, I have provided a few, but to be frank, Buddha spoke in a very direct and unflowery way; I doubt he would have made such a statement, he would have left others to discover this for themselves. I can find plenty of zen stuff if you like, since this is the free-for-all. I can't convince you of anything as Theravada Buddhists, only as human beings.

Are there other questions I haven't answered? I'll continue looking through the thread to find them but at the moment there are sandwiches for me :tongue: .

I honestly don't mean to sidestep, and Alan, I am not particularly delusional, though all unenlightened people are pretty crazy in the sense of causing our own suffering, after my first realisations I did check psychological texts to make sure I wasn't loopy. Actually, the 'flow state' is known in psychology, and is considered healthy.

Is it sane to believe that Buddhism is the only path because Buddha said so? It would be sane to consider it possible that it was the only discovery of the path to nibbana, but to be firm on this point I would consider delusional without evidence.
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Postby Cittasanto » Thu Dec 31, 2009 7:49 pm

When were you asked for assertions? we asked for references!
as the Buddha never used the term Buddhism he never said Buddhism in the canon, he used Dhammavinaya! and as already pointed out the 8fold path is what the buddha called the only way.
if you are going to attempt to answer questions answer the ones asked!

Good-Bye.


He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them.
But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion …
...
He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them … he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.

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Postby Prasadachitta » Thu Dec 31, 2009 7:58 pm

"Beautifully taught is the Lord's Dhamma, immediately apparent, timeless, of the nature of a personal invitation, progressive, to be attained by the wise, each for himself." Anguttara Nikaya V.332

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Re: "Luminous mind" was Question Regarding God and Agnosticism?

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Re: "Luminous mind" was Question Regarding God and Agnosticism?

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Re: "Luminous mind" was Question Regarding God and Agnosticism?

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Re: "Luminous mind" was Question Regarding God and Agnosticism?

Postby Cafael Dust » Thu Dec 31, 2009 8:53 pm

Ah, how stupid of me. Of course nibbanic love is unconditioned (I was asked this before, if love is conditioned). That's the meaning of unconditional love.
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