Bhikkhuni Ordination performed - by Ajahn Brahmavamso

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Postby Bankei » Wed Dec 30, 2009 9:19 am

I wonder if branch temples of the WPP group are required to pay contributions to the headquarters in Thailand?
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Postby Cittasanto » Wed Dec 30, 2009 10:06 am



He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them.
But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion …
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He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them … he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.

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Postby bodhabill » Fri Jan 01, 2010 10:07 am

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Postby acinteyyo » Fri Jan 01, 2010 11:10 am

I just read another report of the Bangkok Post on theravadablog.de about "Thai Buddhism and Ordaining Women as Nuns". If someone is interessted take a look .

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Postby BlackBird » Fri Jan 01, 2010 6:38 pm

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Postby cooran » Fri Jan 01, 2010 7:17 pm

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Postby bodhabill » Fri Jan 01, 2010 9:18 pm

I tend to agree with Jack's opinion

The argument that the WPP doesn't need to be involved in a popularity contest imho is not really valid, they did take that approach when booting Ajahn Brahm and Bodhinyana out, thinking that no one really cared, but when ongoing interest in the matter occurred and public opinion was mounting against them they were very quick to create the dhammalight website to put their side of the argument across

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Postby Cittasanto » Fri Jan 01, 2010 10:20 pm



He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them.
But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion …
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He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them … he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.

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Postby bodhabill » Fri Jan 01, 2010 11:05 pm

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Postby Cittasanto » Fri Jan 01, 2010 11:46 pm



He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them.
But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion …
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He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them … he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.

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Postby BlackBird » Sat Jan 02, 2010 3:29 am

"For a disciple who has conviction in the Teacher's message & lives to penetrate it, what accords with the Dhamma is this:
'The Blessed One is the Teacher, I am a disciple. He is the one who knows, not I." -

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Postby BlackBird » Sat Jan 02, 2010 4:02 am

"For a disciple who has conviction in the Teacher's message & lives to penetrate it, what accords with the Dhamma is this:
'The Blessed One is the Teacher, I am a disciple. He is the one who knows, not I." -

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Postby BlackBird » Sat Jan 02, 2010 4:23 am

Do you think it's disrespectful to be of the opinion that they aren't acting in "the best possible way"?

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Postby Paññāsikhara » Sat Jan 02, 2010 4:39 am

My recently moved Blog, containing some of my writings on the Buddha Dhamma, as well as a number of translations from classical Buddhist texts and modern authors, liturgy, etc.: .

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Postby mikenz66 » Sat Jan 02, 2010 4:42 am

Thank you venarable, for making so clear what I was attempting to express.
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Postby BlackBird » Sat Jan 02, 2010 5:29 am

"For a disciple who has conviction in the Teacher's message & lives to penetrate it, what accords with the Dhamma is this:
'The Blessed One is the Teacher, I am a disciple. He is the one who knows, not I." -

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Postby BlackBird » Sat Jan 02, 2010 5:50 am

I guess this could all be turned upon it's head:

For one, it's inconvenient not to make assumptions when investigating Venerable X, or anything for that matter. My answer is that I guess my point is in regards to the degree and breadth of the assumptions being made.

For two, my opinion w/re to the WPP/Bhikkhuni ordination saga is at least partially based upon assumption itself. My answer is again that I consider it an acceptable amount of assumption, and again declare it as opinion.

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