Greetings Chris,
My read is that the final four lines are referring to an arahant, and thus, to one who has no reliance on any view (be it right or wrong).
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Hello all,
I think that the juxtaposition of direction in the perfection of well wishing and a terse statement about the awakened state of total freedom is meant to induce a contemplation or inquiry into what limits us. I think we are meant to use our inspired imagination to sort of make the connection between our views, lack of clarity, and attachments to fleeting experience and our bondage to suffering. In other words if we have at least some inkling of the awakened state while stretching the very limits of our altruistic capacity we might in that moment get a glimpse or sense of what needs to undertaken to transform our limited state of bondage into one of perfect freedom and happiness. We might see the eightfold path laid before us like a vast and beautiful journey and feel in our hearts that it is the only path worth pursuing. And as our ability to maintain a sense of well wishing wanes and our usual self centered habits begin to exert there influence on us we might continue to recall that there is a path before us. There is work to be done. However limited we feel there is an unlimited way out. What I call effective mindfulness is the ability to hold this recollection. The degree to which we remember this is the degree to which we are mindful.
with metta
Gabe
I think that the juxtaposition of direction in the perfection of well wishing and a terse statement about the awakened state of total freedom is meant to induce a contemplation or inquiry into what limits us. I think we are meant to use our inspired imagination to sort of make the connection between our views, lack of clarity, and attachments to fleeting experience and our bondage to suffering. In other words if we have at least some inkling of the awakened state while stretching the very limits of our altruistic capacity we might in that moment get a glimpse or sense of what needs to undertaken to transform our limited state of bondage into one of perfect freedom and happiness. We might see the eightfold path laid before us like a vast and beautiful journey and feel in our hearts that it is the only path worth pursuing. And as our ability to maintain a sense of well wishing wanes and our usual self centered habits begin to exert there influence on us we might continue to recall that there is a path before us. There is work to be done. However limited we feel there is an unlimited way out. What I call effective mindfulness is the ability to hold this recollection. The degree to which we remember this is the degree to which we are mindful.
with metta
Gabe
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Good call, Retro.
Until then, lets keep James and his family in our thoughts as we extend Metta to all sentient beings.
Until then, lets keep James and his family in our thoughts as we extend Metta to all sentient beings.
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I know that sometimes we Theravadins say that metta cannot be extended to the dead, however, there is the possibility that it may be okay and helpful. For example, the Metta Sutta which speaks of extending loving-kindness to 'bhuutaa vaa sambhavesii vaa' -- "to beings who have come to be and those about to come to be."
Also, of course there is the extending of Metta to all living beings and with samsara, would include those recently deceased.
Also, of course there is the extending of Metta to all living beings and with samsara, would include those recently deceased.
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IIRC it is stated in the Visuddhimagga that one seeking to develop the sign (nimitta) of metta as a samatha meditation object should not direct one's efforts towards the dead for it is impossible to develop the sign when visualizing the face of someone who is dead. It then gives a fairly stock example of Bhikkhu X attempting metta towards his master who unbeknown to Bhikkhu x is now dead, Bhikkhu X then visualizes his preceptor or someone and attains the sign.David N. Snyder wrote:I know that sometimes we Theravadins say that metta cannot be extended to the dead
That's the only source I've come across regarding this notion, and as I do not take the Visuddhimagga as the bottom line on things, I am inclined to believe that metta meditation towards those who have already passed is still a fruitful exercise (Not that to my recollection the Visuddhimagga ever excludes this possibility anyway).
But that's just me.
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