Dwelling at Savatthi. "Monks, gains, offerings, & fame are a cruel thing, a harsh, bitter obstacle to the attainment of the unexcelled rest from bondage.
"Have you heard the jackal howling in the last hours of the night?"
"That jackal is suffering from mange. He finds no pleasure whether he goes to a bluff, to the foot of a tree, or to the open air. Wherever he goes, wherever he stands, wherever he sits, wherever he lies down, he is sunk in misery.
"In the same way there is the case where a certain monk is conquered by gains, offerings, & fame, his mind consumed. He finds no pleasure whether he goes to an empty dwelling, to the foot of a tree, or to the open air. Wherever he goes, wherever he stands, wherever he sits, wherever he lies down, he is sunk in misery. That's how cruel gains, offerings, & fame are: a harsh, bitter obstacle to the attainment of the unexcelled rest from bondage.
"Thus you should train yourselves: 'We will put aside any gains, offerings, & fame that have arisen; and we will not let any gains, offerings, & fame that have arisen keep our minds consumed.' That's how you should train yourselves."
SP: Not really.
Kinda really, it would seem.
I'm not that familiar with the Theravadan teachings.
That is, on the Mahayana side, we're trying to cultivate an attitude of salvation for everyone, so we contrast that with other attitudes, which are lesser in scope.
And how skillful is that, really?
Frankly, I'm surprised at how you've presented the Theravada here. I didn't realize that the post parinirvana influence of the Buddha and Arahants is so limited in this tradition.
Ah, well, I am in the company of an august figure who can determine the influences of the arahants and the Buddha. Limited? You determine the value and influence based upon what? The awakening of an arahant (who is tathagata) is no different from that of a Buddha. It is something carries forward well after the death of the one awake. It is something is both subtle and profound, keeping alive the letter and spirit of the teachings, changing what it touches as it moves through time, as it manifests in the practice of the student, in the kindness extended, in the word of comfort given, in the goodness achieved, in the insight attained, and in the impurity uprooted.
Limited? By what? By no thing, whatsoever.
It's as if you cultivate lovingkindness for everyone but with no method to realize it after attainment. Honestly I don't get it.
That you do not get it is obvious. For some, this value and influence of awakening of the arahants and the Buddha needs to be personified by mythic figures and inspiring doctrines who and which embody this Dhammic influence, giving them something upon which hold in a very insecure, frightening world.
tiltbillings wrote:JC: Location: alaska
Can you Russia from your house?
maybe if i lived in one of those big nice houses on the hills here...
i didnt vote for her (ever) but up until she was running for VP she never seemed that crazy. people here on all sides had been pretty impressed with her up until then.
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