Thanks for the clarification, and yes, it appears we have misunderstood each other.
To be clear, I am not denying the transpersonal aspect of morality or immorality. Being moral isn't only good for ourselves, its good for others as well. It tends to create a platform for harmonious relationships. From a Buddhist perspective, morality (sila) is the foundation of practice, or the transformative process. It isn't merely a pre-requisite for practice, but a mind indulging in immoral activities is incapable of developing sammasamadhi (right concentration) and panna (wisdom). A mind indulging in immoral activity creates defilements which continue to cloud the mind and sow the seeds of immorality and suffering in the future. It also affects the state of mind (quality of consciousness) of the individual now and in the future.
Actually the quote from Socrates is from Plato's allegory of the cave, which is in fact talking about the Good as transformative process.
Thanks. Because I wasn't sure what the context of the quote, I alluded to this in my first post in this thread, indicating that some of the ancient greek philosophers were concerned with something that we call 'the Dhamma' which has various translations including 'the law universal', 'the noble life'. If you like, a guiding principle that when lived, becomes transformative.
You claimed that the first person being hurt when one acts immorally is one self, but you don't mean it in the sense that his exterior body is hurt, like it is when we're cut, you're referring to something else about that person being hurt, and in greek and ancient religious thinking, this something is referred to as the "soul".
In Buddhist doctrine the individual is composed of five aggregates which comprise nama (mind)
and rupa (body)
. The Buddha refuted the existence of a soul or some 'essence' that passes from one life to another. One of the three salient characteristics of all phenomena (of nama and rupa) is anatta. Sabbe dhamma anatta!
All dhammas (translated here as 'phenomena') are not-self. The other two characteristics is anicca (impermanence)
and dukkha (suffering/unsatisfactoriness)
So when I say the first person that gets hurt is oneself, I mean the effervescing continuum of being that is conventionally known as this individual 'oneself' is hurt.
“No lists of things to be done. The day providential to itself. The hour. There is no later. This is later. All things of grace and beauty such that one holds them to one's heart have a common provenance in pain. Their birth in grief and ashes.”
- Cormac McCarthy, The Road
Learn this from the waters:
in mountain clefts and chasms,
loud gush the streamlets,
but great rivers flow silently.
- Sutta Nipata 3.725Compassionate Hands Foundation
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