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Pristine Theravada

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Pristine Theravada

Postby Bankei » Sun Jan 10, 2010 1:11 am

Hi

Do you think the Theravada canon and commentaries are the pristine teachings of the Buddha handed down unaltered from the time of the Buddha?

Why or why not?

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Re: Pristine Theravada

Postby jcsuperstar » Sun Jan 10, 2010 1:39 am

maybe, maybe not. but even if it does we are still caught up in our own views and ideas (mistaken or not) and that may keep us from full utilization of even the most pure and perfect of teachings.
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Re: Pristine Theravada

Postby BlackBird » Sun Jan 10, 2010 4:13 am

I think the commentators got it wrong in quite a number of places. My opinion is based on the bits I've read of the Nibbana sermons by , and essays by

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'The Blessed One is the Teacher, I am a disciple. He is the one who knows, not I." -

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Re: Pristine Theravada

Postby bodom » Sun Jan 10, 2010 4:52 am

Buddhadasa said "Regardless of whether the Tipitaka is exactly the original or a newly composed one as perceived by some people nowadays, actual cessation of dukkha always exists uniquely in accordance with idappaccayata. This is why the Buddha suggested in the Kalama Sutta that we not take anything as true just because it is referred to in a pitaka."

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To study is to know the texts,
To practice is to know your defilements,
To attain the goal is to know and let go.

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With mindfulness immersed in the body
well established, restrained
with regard to the six media of contact,
always centered, the monk
can know Unbinding for himself.

- Ud 3.5


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Re: Pristine Theravada

Postby Ben » Sun Jan 10, 2010 5:32 am

“No lists of things to be done. The day providential to itself. The hour. There is no later. This is later. All things of grace and beauty such that one holds them to one's heart have a common provenance in pain. Their birth in grief and ashes.”
- Cormac McCarthy, The Road

Learn this from the waters:
in mountain clefts and chasms,
loud gush the streamlets,
but great rivers flow silently.
- Sutta Nipata 3.725

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Re: Pristine Theravada

Postby retrofuturist » Sun Jan 10, 2010 5:34 am

"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

"To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead" - Thomas Paine

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Postby Paññāsikhara » Sun Jan 10, 2010 11:04 am

My recently moved Blog, containing some of my writings on the Buddha Dhamma, as well as a number of translations from classical Buddhist texts and modern authors, liturgy, etc.: .

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Re: Pristine Theravada

Postby Sanghamitta » Sun Jan 10, 2010 11:08 am

The going for refuge is the door of entrance to the teachings of the Buddha.

Bhikku Bodhi.

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Postby Sanghamitta » Sun Jan 10, 2010 11:10 am

The going for refuge is the door of entrance to the teachings of the Buddha.

Bhikku Bodhi.

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Re: Pristine Theravada

Postby bodom » Sun Jan 10, 2010 2:38 pm

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To study is to know the texts,
To practice is to know your defilements,
To attain the goal is to know and let go.

- Ajahn Lee Dhammadharo


With mindfulness immersed in the body
well established, restrained
with regard to the six media of contact,
always centered, the monk
can know Unbinding for himself.

- Ud 3.5


https://www.dhammatalks.org/index.html
http://www.ajahnchah.org/

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Re: Pristine Theravada

Postby Cittasanto » Sun Jan 10, 2010 3:29 pm

I think the Pāli canon is close enough to what the Buddha said to make discerning what is and what is not Dhamma due to the editing process within the canon possible.

the commentaries are a different matter as they are not necessarily in accordance with the canon all the time, plus there are rumours that some parts of the commentaries are not translated correctly.


He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them.
But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion …
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He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them … he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.

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Re: Pristine Theravada

Postby retrofuturist » Mon Jan 11, 2010 1:48 am

Greetings,

Looks like a collection of English translations of the Agamas might be popular... if such a thing existed.

I'm sure someone will do it at some point.

Metta,
Retro. :)
"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

"To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead" - Thomas Paine

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Re: Pristine Theravada

Postby cooran » Mon Jan 11, 2010 4:18 am

---The trouble is that you think you have time---
---Worry is the Interest, paid in advance, on a debt you may never owe---
---It's not what happens to you in life that is important ~ it's what you do with it ---

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Re: Pristine Theravada

Postby Ben » Mon Jan 11, 2010 4:57 am

“No lists of things to be done. The day providential to itself. The hour. There is no later. This is later. All things of grace and beauty such that one holds them to one's heart have a common provenance in pain. Their birth in grief and ashes.”
- Cormac McCarthy, The Road

Learn this from the waters:
in mountain clefts and chasms,
loud gush the streamlets,
but great rivers flow silently.
- Sutta Nipata 3.725

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