YOU CANNOT POST. OUR WEB HOSTING COMPANY DECIDED TO MOVE THE SERVER TO ANOTHER LOCATION. IN THE MEANTIME, YOU CAN VIEW THIS VERSION WHICH DOES NOT ALLOW POSTING AND WILL NOT SAVE ANYTHING YOU DO ONCE THE OTHER SERVER GOES ONLINE.

No comment - Page 2 - Dhamma Wheel

No comment

Casual discussion amongst spiritual friends.
User avatar
mikenz66
Posts: 14947
Joined: Sat Jan 10, 2009 7:37 am
Location: New Zealand

Re: No comment

Postby mikenz66 » Sat Jan 16, 2010 11:21 am

Hi Retro,

My point is that I continue to be surprised at the outcry whenever anyone states that kamma may have something to do with some misfortune or other. Such people (the outcriers) seem to me to be in denial...

Metta
Mike

User avatar
retrofuturist
Site Admin
Posts: 17855
Joined: Tue Dec 30, 2008 9:52 pm
Location: Melbourne, Australia

Re: No comment

Postby retrofuturist » Sat Jan 16, 2010 11:25 am

"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

"To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead" - Thomas Paine

User avatar
mikenz66
Posts: 14947
Joined: Sat Jan 10, 2009 7:37 am
Location: New Zealand

Re: No comment

Postby mikenz66 » Sat Jan 16, 2010 11:37 am


User avatar
retrofuturist
Site Admin
Posts: 17855
Joined: Tue Dec 30, 2008 9:52 pm
Location: Melbourne, Australia

Re: No comment

Postby retrofuturist » Sat Jan 16, 2010 11:39 am

"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

"To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead" - Thomas Paine

User avatar
retrofuturist
Site Admin
Posts: 17855
Joined: Tue Dec 30, 2008 9:52 pm
Location: Melbourne, Australia

Re: No comment

Postby retrofuturist » Sat Jan 16, 2010 11:49 am

"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

"To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead" - Thomas Paine

User avatar
mikenz66
Posts: 14947
Joined: Sat Jan 10, 2009 7:37 am
Location: New Zealand

Re: No comment

Postby mikenz66 » Sat Jan 16, 2010 12:28 pm


User avatar
retrofuturist
Site Admin
Posts: 17855
Joined: Tue Dec 30, 2008 9:52 pm
Location: Melbourne, Australia

Re: No comment

Postby retrofuturist » Sat Jan 16, 2010 12:31 pm

"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

"To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead" - Thomas Paine

User avatar
David N. Snyder
Site Admin
Posts: 10648
Joined: Tue Dec 30, 2008 4:15 am
Location: Las Vegas, Nevada
Contact:

Re: No comment

Postby David N. Snyder » Sat Jan 16, 2010 2:03 pm

:goodpost: Good posts, Retro!

Regardless of our interpretations of kamma, this applies foremost:

The Four subjects not fit for speculative thought:
1. The specific qualities of a Buddha
2. A person’s jhana attainment
3. The results of kamma
4. The nature of the world

Anguttara Nikaya 4.77

(Speculating on these could lead one to mental distress and insanity.)
Image




User avatar
adosa
Posts: 266
Joined: Thu Apr 09, 2009 11:08 pm

Re: No comment

Postby adosa » Sat Jan 16, 2010 3:16 pm

.
Last edited by adosa on Sun Jan 17, 2010 5:03 am, edited 1 time in total.
"To avoid all evil, to cultivate good, and to cleanse one's mind — this is the teaching of the Buddhas" - Dhammapada 183

User avatar
cooran
Posts: 8502
Joined: Tue Jan 06, 2009 11:32 pm
Location: Queensland, Australia

Re: No comment

Postby cooran » Sat Jan 16, 2010 6:28 pm

---The trouble is that you think you have time---
---Worry is the Interest, paid in advance, on a debt you may never owe---
---It's not what happens to you in life that is important ~ it's what you do with it ---

User avatar
retrofuturist
Site Admin
Posts: 17855
Joined: Tue Dec 30, 2008 9:52 pm
Location: Melbourne, Australia

Re: No comment

Postby retrofuturist » Sat Jan 16, 2010 10:21 pm

Greetings Chris,

Do you agree that the potential set of all worldly knowledge (all the things that any being in the universe could possibly know about all aspects the cosmos, in all time periods, in their various permutations and combinations) is infinite? I believe this.

In the Majjjhima Nikaya the Buddha says "There is no recluse of brahmin who knows all, who sees all, simultaneously; this is not possible".

Even if we were to grant that the Buddha could know whatever he put his mind to knowing, if the set of potential worldly knowledge is infinite, and it's not possible to know or see everything at once, then it's perfectly logical to state that the Buddha did not know everything about everything.

But do we as Buddhists go to the Buddha for refuge because he could have known "everything about everything", or do we go for refuge in him because he offers a path to the cessation of suffering?

The fact he wouldn't have been able to recite the Bee Gees discography, along with all the chart positions of their singles and albums across different countries is irrelevant to the holy path. I don't care about that - do you? I'm more than happy to cut the Buddha a bit of slack for all he has done.

Note that in the Simsapa Sutta he compares the handful of leaves (his teachings) with respect to a forest (the things he knew)... he did not compare the handful of leaves to the entire cosmos or even a world system or continent.

Metta,
Retro. :)

P.S. What was the significance of the above reference on sammuti-kathaa? Do you think I have understood something in conventional terms which should be understood in ultimate terms, or vice versa? If so, could you please explain what it was and how you think it should be understood?
"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

"To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead" - Thomas Paine

User avatar
cooran
Posts: 8502
Joined: Tue Jan 06, 2009 11:32 pm
Location: Queensland, Australia

Re: No comment

Postby cooran » Sun Jan 17, 2010 4:53 am

---The trouble is that you think you have time---
---Worry is the Interest, paid in advance, on a debt you may never owe---
---It's not what happens to you in life that is important ~ it's what you do with it ---

User avatar
retrofuturist
Site Admin
Posts: 17855
Joined: Tue Dec 30, 2008 9:52 pm
Location: Melbourne, Australia

Re: No comment

Postby retrofuturist » Sun Jan 17, 2010 5:05 am

"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

"To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead" - Thomas Paine

User avatar
cooran
Posts: 8502
Joined: Tue Jan 06, 2009 11:32 pm
Location: Queensland, Australia

Re: No comment

Postby cooran » Sun Jan 17, 2010 5:49 am

Hello Retro,

No apology needed. It had to do with the quote from Ven. Dhammika stating the Buddha was mistaken, which I took to be what you were agreeing with.

The Buddha wasn't 'mistaken', but was speaking to the level of understanding of his audience ... using Skilful Means - which is why I put in the quotes about different sorts of truth.

metta
Chris
---The trouble is that you think you have time---
---Worry is the Interest, paid in advance, on a debt you may never owe---
---It's not what happens to you in life that is important ~ it's what you do with it ---


Return to “Lounge”

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 17 guests

Google Saffron, Theravada Search Engine