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Postby Cittasanto » Mon Feb 01, 2010 11:22 pm

Hi All
Where does the Buddha say what the Vinaya is for?

I have seen in a couple of places that The Buddha is suppost to of said that the Vinaya is for developing mindfulness but do not know the source.
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Re: Vinaya & mindfulness

Postby bodom » Mon Feb 01, 2010 11:38 pm

For the excellence of the Sa"ngha, for the comfort of the Sa"ngha, for the restraint of evil-minded men, for the ease of well-behaved monks, for the restraint of the cankers belonging to the here and now,for the combating of the cankers belonging to other worlds, for the benefit of those who lack faithful commitment, for the increase in the number of those who have faithful commitment, for the establishing of the True Dhamma (saddhamma-), for following the rules of restraint (vinayaanuggahaaya) (Vin.III.21).

There are...acts with damaging consequences that, when performed unintentionally, reveal carelessness and lack of circumspection in areas where a person may reasonably be held responsible. Many of the rules dealing with the proper care of communal property and one's basic requisites fall in this category...the minor rules that do carry such penalties may be regarded as useful lessons in mindfulness (Thanissaro 1994, pp. 24-25).

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The heart of the path is SO simple. No need for long explanations. Give up clinging to love and hate, just rest with things as they are. That is all I do in my own practice. Do not try to become anything. Do not make yourself into anything. Do not be a meditator. Do not become enlightened. When you sit, let it be. When you walk, let it be. Grasp at nothing. Resist nothing. Of course, there are dozens of meditation techniques to develop samadhi and many kinds of vipassana. But it all comes back to this - just let it all be. Step over here where it is cool, out of the battle. - Ajahn Chah
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Re: Vinaya & mindfulness

Postby Cittasanto » Mon Feb 01, 2010 11:43 pm

Hi Bodom,
thanks, but it wasn't that one I was looking for, I believe it is said to Ananda that the Vinaya is for the development of mindfulness, but the only site I know that possibly had a reference to the source is gone now, and have no Idea where else a source is mentioned.
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Re: Vinaya & mindfulness

Postby bodom » Mon Feb 01, 2010 11:45 pm

Manapa wrote:Hi Bodom,
thanks, but it wasn't that one I was looking for, I believe it is said to Ananda that the Vinaya is for the development of mindfulness, but the only site I know that possibly had a reference to the source is gone now, and have no Idea where else a source is mentioned.


Hmm I'll have to do some research then. Sorry!

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The heart of the path is SO simple. No need for long explanations. Give up clinging to love and hate, just rest with things as they are. That is all I do in my own practice. Do not try to become anything. Do not make yourself into anything. Do not be a meditator. Do not become enlightened. When you sit, let it be. When you walk, let it be. Grasp at nothing. Resist nothing. Of course, there are dozens of meditation techniques to develop samadhi and many kinds of vipassana. But it all comes back to this - just let it all be. Step over here where it is cool, out of the battle. - Ajahn Chah
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Re: Vinaya & mindfulness

Postby Cittasanto » Tue Feb 02, 2010 12:13 am

Hi,
Which Thanissaro Book is that in, BMC?

it was on evinaya but that site was left abandoned and allowed to close with geosites, and the closest mention of sorts is on buddhamind, which links your initial quote to mindfulness, I am hoping I didn't dream it like brians mother and the balm! (Life of Brian for you uneducated blasphemers :tongue: )
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"Others will misconstrue reality due to their personal perspectives, doggedly holding onto and not easily discarding them; We shall not misconstrue reality due to our own personal perspectives, nor doggedly holding onto them, but will discard them easily. This effacement shall be done."
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Re: Vinaya & mindfulness

Postby bodom » Tue Feb 02, 2010 12:16 am

Manapa wrote:Hi,
Which Thanissaro Book is that in, BMC?

it was on evinaya but that site was left abandoned and allowed to close with geosites, and the closest mention of sorts is on buddhamind, which links your initial quote to mindfulness, I am hoping I didn't dream it like brians mother and the balm! (Life of Brian for you uneducated blasphemers :tongue: )


Vinaya Principles for Assigning Degrees of Culpability By Peter Harvey

http://www.buddhistethics.org/6/harvey991.htm

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Re: Vinaya & mindfulness

Postby Cittasanto » Tue Feb 02, 2010 12:49 am

not sure but think this may be the source, if I, or another dreamt it?

AN 5.114
PTS: A iii 138
Andhakavinda Sutta
"'Come, friends, be virtuous. Dwell restrained in accordance with the Patimokkha, consummate in your behavior & sphere of activity. Train yourselves, having undertaken the training rules, seeing danger in the slightest faults.' Thus they should be encouraged, exhorted, & established in restraint in accordance with the Patimokkha.

"'Come, friends, dwell with your sense faculties guarded, with mindfulness as your protector, with mindfulness as your chief, with your intellect self-protected, endowed with an awareness protected by mindfulness.' Thus they should be encouraged, exhorted, & established in restraint of the senses.
This offering maybe right, or wrong, but it is one, the other, both, or neither!
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"Others will misconstrue reality due to their personal perspectives, doggedly holding onto and not easily discarding them; We shall not misconstrue reality due to our own personal perspectives, nor doggedly holding onto them, but will discard them easily. This effacement shall be done."
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Re: Vinaya & mindfulness

Postby bodom » Wed Feb 03, 2010 8:59 pm

I found this in The Heart of Buddhist Meditation pg.152

The Purpose of the Moral Rules

"Those salutary rules of morality proclaimed by the exalted one, for what purpose, brother Ananda, has he proclaimed them?"

-"Well said, brother Bhaddha, well said! Pleasing is your wisdom, pleasing your insight, excellent is your question!

"Those salutary rules of morality proclaimed by the exalted one, were proclaimed by him for the sake of cultivating the four foundations of mindfulness." (S.47,21)

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Re: Vinaya & mindfulness

Postby Cittasanto » Wed Feb 03, 2010 9:12 pm

THANK-YOU :hug:
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"Others will misconstrue reality due to their personal perspectives, doggedly holding onto and not easily discarding them; We shall not misconstrue reality due to our own personal perspectives, nor doggedly holding onto them, but will discard them easily. This effacement shall be done."
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Re: Vinaya & mindfulness

Postby bodom » Wed Feb 03, 2010 9:14 pm

Manapa wrote:THANK-YOU :hug:


You bet. I actually came across it on accident. When i read it I thought hey wait a minute. lol. Glad i could help.

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The heart of the path is SO simple. No need for long explanations. Give up clinging to love and hate, just rest with things as they are. That is all I do in my own practice. Do not try to become anything. Do not make yourself into anything. Do not be a meditator. Do not become enlightened. When you sit, let it be. When you walk, let it be. Grasp at nothing. Resist nothing. Of course, there are dozens of meditation techniques to develop samadhi and many kinds of vipassana. But it all comes back to this - just let it all be. Step over here where it is cool, out of the battle. - Ajahn Chah
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Re: Vinaya & mindfulness

Postby Cittasanto » Wed Feb 03, 2010 9:19 pm

What a stroke of luck!

there will always be a quote which no one else uses but coue to the same conclusion logically with other sources, but why jump through hoops when there is direct support.
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"Others will misconstrue reality due to their personal perspectives, doggedly holding onto and not easily discarding them; We shall not misconstrue reality due to our own personal perspectives, nor doggedly holding onto them, but will discard them easily. This effacement shall be done."
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