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Vinaya & mindfulness

Postby Cittasanto » Mon Feb 01, 2010 11:22 pm

Hi All
Where does the Buddha say what the Vinaya is for?

I have seen in a couple of places that The Buddha is suppost to of said that the Vinaya is for developing mindfulness but do not know the source.
“Mendicants, these two [types of persons] defame the Tathāgata.
(The mendicants asked) What are the two [types of persons]?
(The Lord Buddha responded) The malicious, or the inwardly angry, and the one with (blind) faith or the one who holds things incorrectly.
Mendicants, these two [types of persons] defame the Tathāgata.”
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Re: Vinaya & mindfulness

Postby bodom » Mon Feb 01, 2010 11:38 pm

For the excellence of the Sa"ngha, for the comfort of the Sa"ngha, for the restraint of evil-minded men, for the ease of well-behaved monks, for the restraint of the cankers belonging to the here and now,for the combating of the cankers belonging to other worlds, for the benefit of those who lack faithful commitment, for the increase in the number of those who have faithful commitment, for the establishing of the True Dhamma (saddhamma-), for following the rules of restraint (vinayaanuggahaaya) (Vin.III.21).

There are...acts with damaging consequences that, when performed unintentionally, reveal carelessness and lack of circumspection in areas where a person may reasonably be held responsible. Many of the rules dealing with the proper care of communal property and one's basic requisites fall in this category...the minor rules that do carry such penalties may be regarded as useful lessons in mindfulness (Thanissaro 1994, pp. 24-25).

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Re: Vinaya & mindfulness

Postby Cittasanto » Mon Feb 01, 2010 11:43 pm

Hi Bodom,
thanks, but it wasn't that one I was looking for, I believe it is said to Ananda that the Vinaya is for the development of mindfulness, but the only site I know that possibly had a reference to the source is gone now, and have no Idea where else a source is mentioned.
“Mendicants, these two [types of persons] defame the Tathāgata.
(The mendicants asked) What are the two [types of persons]?
(The Lord Buddha responded) The malicious, or the inwardly angry, and the one with (blind) faith or the one who holds things incorrectly.
Mendicants, these two [types of persons] defame the Tathāgata.”
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"Others will misconstrue reality based on personal perspectives, firmly holding onto and not easily discarding them; We shall not misconstrue reality due to our personal perspectives, nor firmly holding them, but easily discarded."

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Re: Vinaya & mindfulness

Postby bodom » Mon Feb 01, 2010 11:45 pm

Manapa wrote:Hi Bodom,
thanks, but it wasn't that one I was looking for, I believe it is said to Ananda that the Vinaya is for the development of mindfulness, but the only site I know that possibly had a reference to the source is gone now, and have no Idea where else a source is mentioned.


Hmm I'll have to do some research then. Sorry!

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To practice is to know your defilements,
To attain the goal is to know and let go.

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Re: Vinaya & mindfulness

Postby Cittasanto » Tue Feb 02, 2010 12:13 am

Hi,
Which Thanissaro Book is that in, BMC?

it was on evinaya but that site was left abandoned and allowed to close with geosites, and the closest mention of sorts is on buddhamind, which links your initial quote to mindfulness, I am hoping I didn't dream it like brians mother and the balm! (Life of Brian for you uneducated blasphemers :tongue: )
“Mendicants, these two [types of persons] defame the Tathāgata.
(The mendicants asked) What are the two [types of persons]?
(The Lord Buddha responded) The malicious, or the inwardly angry, and the one with (blind) faith or the one who holds things incorrectly.
Mendicants, these two [types of persons] defame the Tathāgata.”
Blog, Suttas, Aj Chah, Facebook.
"Others will misconstrue reality based on personal perspectives, firmly holding onto and not easily discarding them; We shall not misconstrue reality due to our personal perspectives, nor firmly holding them, but easily discarded."

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Re: Vinaya & mindfulness

Postby bodom » Tue Feb 02, 2010 12:16 am

Manapa wrote:Hi,
Which Thanissaro Book is that in, BMC?

it was on evinaya but that site was left abandoned and allowed to close with geosites, and the closest mention of sorts is on buddhamind, which links your initial quote to mindfulness, I am hoping I didn't dream it like brians mother and the balm! (Life of Brian for you uneducated blasphemers :tongue: )


Vinaya Principles for Assigning Degrees of Culpability By Peter Harvey

http://www.buddhistethics.org/6/harvey991.htm

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To study is to know the texts,
To practice is to know your defilements,
To attain the goal is to know and let go.

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Re: Vinaya & mindfulness

Postby Cittasanto » Tue Feb 02, 2010 12:49 am

not sure but think this may be the source, if I, or another dreamt it?

AN 5.114
PTS: A iii 138
Andhakavinda Sutta
"'Come, friends, be virtuous. Dwell restrained in accordance with the Patimokkha, consummate in your behavior & sphere of activity. Train yourselves, having undertaken the training rules, seeing danger in the slightest faults.' Thus they should be encouraged, exhorted, & established in restraint in accordance with the Patimokkha.

"'Come, friends, dwell with your sense faculties guarded, with mindfulness as your protector, with mindfulness as your chief, with your intellect self-protected, endowed with an awareness protected by mindfulness.' Thus they should be encouraged, exhorted, & established in restraint of the senses.
“Mendicants, these two [types of persons] defame the Tathāgata.
(The mendicants asked) What are the two [types of persons]?
(The Lord Buddha responded) The malicious, or the inwardly angry, and the one with (blind) faith or the one who holds things incorrectly.
Mendicants, these two [types of persons] defame the Tathāgata.”
Blog, Suttas, Aj Chah, Facebook.
"Others will misconstrue reality based on personal perspectives, firmly holding onto and not easily discarding them; We shall not misconstrue reality due to our personal perspectives, nor firmly holding them, but easily discarded."

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Re: Vinaya & mindfulness

Postby bodom » Wed Feb 03, 2010 8:59 pm

I found this in The Heart of Buddhist Meditation pg.152

The Purpose of the Moral Rules

"Those salutary rules of morality proclaimed by the exalted one, for what purpose, brother Ananda, has he proclaimed them?"

-"Well said, brother Bhaddha, well said! Pleasing is your wisdom, pleasing your insight, excellent is your question!

"Those salutary rules of morality proclaimed by the exalted one, were proclaimed by him for the sake of cultivating the four foundations of mindfulness." (S.47,21)

:anjali:
To study is to know the texts,
To practice is to know your defilements,
To attain the goal is to know and let go.

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Re: Vinaya & mindfulness

Postby Cittasanto » Wed Feb 03, 2010 9:12 pm

THANK-YOU :hug:
“Mendicants, these two [types of persons] defame the Tathāgata.
(The mendicants asked) What are the two [types of persons]?
(The Lord Buddha responded) The malicious, or the inwardly angry, and the one with (blind) faith or the one who holds things incorrectly.
Mendicants, these two [types of persons] defame the Tathāgata.”
Blog, Suttas, Aj Chah, Facebook.
"Others will misconstrue reality based on personal perspectives, firmly holding onto and not easily discarding them; We shall not misconstrue reality due to our personal perspectives, nor firmly holding them, but easily discarded."

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Re: Vinaya & mindfulness

Postby bodom » Wed Feb 03, 2010 9:14 pm

Manapa wrote:THANK-YOU :hug:


You bet. I actually came across it on accident. When i read it I thought hey wait a minute. lol. Glad i could help.

:anjali:
To study is to know the texts,
To practice is to know your defilements,
To attain the goal is to know and let go.

- Ajahn Lee Dhammadharo

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Re: Vinaya & mindfulness

Postby Cittasanto » Wed Feb 03, 2010 9:19 pm

What a stroke of luck!

there will always be a quote which no one else uses but coue to the same conclusion logically with other sources, but why jump through hoops when there is direct support.
“Mendicants, these two [types of persons] defame the Tathāgata.
(The mendicants asked) What are the two [types of persons]?
(The Lord Buddha responded) The malicious, or the inwardly angry, and the one with (blind) faith or the one who holds things incorrectly.
Mendicants, these two [types of persons] defame the Tathāgata.”
Blog, Suttas, Aj Chah, Facebook.
"Others will misconstrue reality based on personal perspectives, firmly holding onto and not easily discarding them; We shall not misconstrue reality due to our personal perspectives, nor firmly holding them, but easily discarded."


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