Hiri Sutta

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Hiri Sutta

Postby jcsuperstar » Wed Feb 03, 2010 7:00 pm

Snp 2.3 PTS: Sn 253-257
Hiri Sutta: On Friendship
translated from the Pali by
John D. Ireland

"One who, overstepping and despising a sense of shame, says, 'I am your friend,' but does not take upon himself any tasks he is capable of doing, is to be recognized as no friend. One who speaks amiably to his companions, but whose actions do not conform to it, him the wise know for certain as a talker not a doer. He is no friend who, anticipating conflict, is always alert in looking out for weaknesses. [1] But he on whom one can rely, like a child sleeping on its mother's breast, is truly a friend who cannot be parted from one by others.

"One who bears the human burden of responsibility, with it fruits and blessings in mind, he cultivates a cause [2] of joy and happiness worthy of praise. Having tasted the flavor of solitude and peace one is free from fear and wrong-doings imbibing the rapture of Dhamma."

Notes
1.Such a person dislikes to be reproved, and when an occasion for this occurs he would wish to have a weapon with which to retaliate, and therefore, he takes note of one's weaknesses.
2.According to the Commentary, this joy-producing cause is strenuous effort (viriya).


Snp 2.3 PTS: Sn 253-257
Hiri Sutta: Conscience
translated from the Pali by
Thanissaro Bhikkhu

One who,
flouting, despising
a sense of conscience,
saying, "I am your friend,"
but not grasping
what he could do [to help]:
know him as
"Not my friend."

One who,
among friends,
speaks endearing words
to which he doesn't conform,
the wise recognize
as speaking without doing.

He's not a friend
who's always wary,
suspecting a split,
focusing just on your weakness.
But him on whom you can depend,
like a child on its parent's breast:
that's a true friend
whom others can't split from you.

Carrying one's manly burden,
the fruits & rewards develop
the conditions that make for joy,
the bliss that brings praise.

Drinking the nourishment,
the flavor,
of seclusion & calm,
one is freed from evil, devoid
of distress,
refreshed with the nourishment
of rapture in the Dhamma. [1]


Note
1.This last verse = Dhp 205.
สัพเพ สัตตา สุขีตา โหนตุ

the mountain may be heavy in and of itself, but if you're not trying to carry it it's not heavy to you- Ajaan Suwat
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Re: Hiri Sutta

Postby Butrfly_Nirvana » Thu Feb 04, 2010 10:42 pm

While I am sure an initial reaction is to think of others outside of ourselves in who is and is not a true friend, I find that this is a better example in which to measure ourselves by. Let us be reminded of these qualities when analyzing those around us as friends or foes. One must first BE a true friend to HAVE true friends!

Thank you for this sutta! Very insightful!

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Re: Hiri Sutta

Postby 8fold » Sat Feb 06, 2010 8:11 am

Why even distinguish between "a friend" and "not a friend."?
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Re: Hiri Sutta

Postby jcsuperstar » Sat Feb 06, 2010 2:46 pm

why distinguish between food and poison?
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the mountain may be heavy in and of itself, but if you're not trying to carry it it's not heavy to you- Ajaan Suwat
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Re: Hiri Sutta

Postby 8fold » Sat Feb 06, 2010 4:00 pm

...unclear how one always maintains that "all belings live happily and safely and may their hearts rejoice within themselves.." while at the same time thinking of some people as non-friends.
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Re: Hiri Sutta

Postby jcsuperstar » Sun Feb 07, 2010 3:08 am

8fold wrote:...unclear how one always maintains that "all belings live happily and safely and may their hearts rejoice within themselves.." while at the same time thinking of some people as non-friends.

youre being overly dualistic. i can feel that way about everyone in bhutan yet i've never met anyone from bhutan so theyre not my friends
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Re: Hiri Sutta

Postby 8fold » Sun Feb 07, 2010 4:58 am

jcsuperstar wrote:...youre being overly dualistic. i can feel that way about everyone in bhutan yet i've never met anyone from bhutan so theyre not my friends


...yet a distinction between your comment and the sutta is that I believe the sutta at the basic level is dealing with people that one does have a relationships with, not never-met beings. These are real existing people in the sutta that have real life relationships with real people. Why label others as non-friend? Doesn't seem compassionate.

(BTW, I once dated a girl from bhutan. Very nice.)
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