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Postby tiltbillings » Sat Jan 03, 2009 9:48 am

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This being is bound to samsara, kamma is his means for going beyond.
SN I, 38.

Ar scáth a chéile a mhaireas na daoine.
People live in one another’s shelter.
"We eat cold eels and think distant thoughts." -- Jack Johnson
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Re: Jackals

Postby retrofuturist » Sat Jan 03, 2009 9:59 am

Greetings Tilt,

Lovely to see you here... I've always valued your postings.

Out of interest, Is jackals a reference to anything in particular? The first thing that comes to mind is the following sutta, but I doubt it's connected.

SN 17.8 - Sigala Sutta
http://vipassana.com/canon/samyutta/sn17-8.php

Dwelling at Savatthi. "Monks, gains, offerings, & fame are a cruel thing, a harsh, bitter obstacle to the attainment of the unexcelled rest from bondage.
"Have you heard the jackal howling in the last hours of the night?"

"Yes, lord."

"That jackal is suffering from mange. He finds no pleasure whether he goes to a bluff, to the foot of a tree, or to the open air. Wherever he goes, wherever he stands, wherever he sits, wherever he lies down, he is sunk in misery.

"In the same way there is the case where a certain monk is conquered by gains, offerings, & fame, his mind consumed. He finds no pleasure whether he goes to an empty dwelling, to the foot of a tree, or to the open air. Wherever he goes, wherever he stands, wherever he sits, wherever he lies down, he is sunk in misery. That's how cruel gains, offerings, & fame are: a harsh, bitter obstacle to the attainment of the unexcelled rest from bondage.

"Thus you should train yourselves: 'We will put aside any gains, offerings, & fame that have arisen; and we will not let any gains, offerings, & fame that have arisen keep our minds consumed.' That's how you should train yourselves."

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Retro. :)
If you have asked me of the origination of unease, then I shall explain it to you in accordance with my understanding:
Whatever various forms of unease there are in the world, They originate founded in encumbering accumulation. (Pārāyanavagga)


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One who is such, calmed and ever mindful, He has no sorrows! -- Udana IV, 7


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Re: Jackals

Postby Element » Sat Jan 03, 2009 10:07 am

Cool. 8-)
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Re: Jackals

Postby tiltbillings » Sat Jan 03, 2009 10:16 am

Actually, I adopted the jackal avatar during one of my interminable "discussions" on e-sangha about the appropriateness of the word hinayana.

”Your Majesty, why should one who follows the path leading to supreme enlightenment, who is like the lion, king of beasts, salute those who follow the Hinayana, who are like jackals? -- A Treasury of Mahayana Sutras, Garma Chang page 116.
This being is bound to samsara, kamma is his means for going beyond.
SN I, 38.

Ar scáth a chéile a mhaireas na daoine.
People live in one another’s shelter.
"We eat cold eels and think distant thoughts." -- Jack Johnson
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Re: Jackals

Postby retrofuturist » Sat Jan 03, 2009 10:19 am

Greetings,

Ah yes, that explains a few things.

Good to see you don't have the mange. ;)

Metta,
Retro. :)
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Whatever various forms of unease there are in the world, They originate founded in encumbering accumulation. (Pārāyanavagga)


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One who is such, calmed and ever mindful, He has no sorrows! -- Udana IV, 7


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Re: Jackals

Postby tiltbillings » Sat Jan 03, 2009 11:02 am

Fleas are bad enough.
This being is bound to samsara, kamma is his means for going beyond.
SN I, 38.

Ar scáth a chéile a mhaireas na daoine.
People live in one another’s shelter.
"We eat cold eels and think distant thoughts." -- Jack Johnson
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Re: Jackals

Postby Ben » Sat Jan 03, 2009 11:29 am

Hi Tilt

I'm gladdened by your presence here.
I'm looking forward to your contributions.
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Re: Jackals

Postby tiltbillings » Sat Jan 03, 2009 11:36 am

Thanks. Right now I am tilting at windmills on another unnamed forum, defending the faith, but hope to put more energy here, soon.
This being is bound to samsara, kamma is his means for going beyond.
SN I, 38.

Ar scáth a chéile a mhaireas na daoine.
People live in one another’s shelter.
"We eat cold eels and think distant thoughts." -- Jack Johnson
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Re: Jackals

Postby Ben » Sat Jan 03, 2009 11:42 am

Hi Tilt

Please don't do anything that will cause you any discomfort.
Better to spend time with no one rather than to spend it with fools.
Anyway, its good to have you here!
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Re: Jackals

Postby appicchato » Sat Jan 03, 2009 11:51 am

Nice to see you here tilt... ;)
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Re: Jackals

Postby tiltbillings » Sat Jan 03, 2009 12:26 pm

Good to be seen, and it is good to see you and other familiar faces here.
This being is bound to samsara, kamma is his means for going beyond.
SN I, 38.

Ar scáth a chéile a mhaireas na daoine.
People live in one another’s shelter.
"We eat cold eels and think distant thoughts." -- Jack Johnson
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Re: Jackals

Postby jcsuperstar » Sat Jan 03, 2009 1:33 pm

:mrgreen:
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the mountain may be heavy in and of itself, but if you're not trying to carry it it's not heavy to you- Ajaan Suwat
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Re: Jackals

Postby tiltbillings » Sat Jan 03, 2009 8:54 pm

JC: Location: alaska

Can you see Russia from your house?
This being is bound to samsara, kamma is his means for going beyond.
SN I, 38.

Ar scáth a chéile a mhaireas na daoine.
People live in one another’s shelter.
"We eat cold eels and think distant thoughts." -- Jack Johnson
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Re: Jackals

Postby Fede » Sat Jan 03, 2009 11:59 pm

Bigger fleas have smaller fleas,
And little fleas to bite 'em.
And little fleas have littler fleas...
And so, ad infinitem!

Actually "Ad Infinitem" is not accurately pronounced 'ad infi-night-em' but 'ad infi-neat-em'
so maybe a better rhyme would be 'and little fleas to eat 'em', but it's an old poem and who am I to discuss semantics and split hairs?

Oh hi, Tilt, howya doing?

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Translation: Just to stir things up seemed a good reward in itself. ;)

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Re: Jackals

Postby tiltbillings » Sun Jan 04, 2009 12:17 am

I am doing good, and hopefully doing good.

My most recent post on e-sasngha:

SP: Not really.

Kinda really, it would seem.

I'm not that familiar with the Theravadan teachings.

Obviously.

That is, on the Mahayana side, we're trying to cultivate an attitude of salvation for everyone, so we contrast that with other attitudes, which are lesser in scope.

And how skillful is that, really?

Frankly, I'm surprised at how you've presented the Theravada here. I didn't realize that the post parinirvana influence of the Buddha and Arahants is so limited in this tradition.

Ah, well, I am in the company of an august figure who can determine the influences of the arahants and the Buddha. Limited? You determine the value and influence based upon what? The awakening of an arahant (who is tathagata) is no different from that of a Buddha. It is something carries forward well after the death of the one awake. It is something is both subtle and profound, keeping alive the letter and spirit of the teachings, changing what it touches as it moves through time, as it manifests in the practice of the student, in the kindness extended, in the word of comfort given, in the goodness achieved, in the insight attained, and in the impurity uprooted.

Limited? By what? By no thing, whatsoever.

It's as if you cultivate lovingkindness for everyone but with no method to realize it after attainment. Honestly I don't get it.

That you do not get it is obvious. For some, this value and influence of awakening of the arahants and the Buddha needs to be personified by mythic figures and inspiring doctrines who and which embody this Dhammic influence, giving them something upon which hold in a very insecure, frightening world.


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This being is bound to samsara, kamma is his means for going beyond.
SN I, 38.

Ar scáth a chéile a mhaireas na daoine.
People live in one another’s shelter.
"We eat cold eels and think distant thoughts." -- Jack Johnson
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Re: Jackals

Postby appicchato » Sun Jan 04, 2009 2:19 am

Been getting a kick out of that thread... ;)
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Re: Jackals

Postby Element » Sun Jan 04, 2009 2:30 am

tiltbillings wrote:”Your Majesty, why should one who follows the path leading to supreme enlightenment, who is like the lion, king of beasts, salute those who follow the Hinayana, who are like jackals? -- A Treasury of Mahayana Sutras, Garma Chang page 116.

Very insightful.
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Re: Jackals

Postby jcsuperstar » Sun Jan 04, 2009 8:08 am

tiltbillings wrote:JC: Location: alaska

Can you Russia from your house?


maybe if i lived in one of those big nice houses on the hills here... :P

i didnt vote for her (ever) but up until she was running for VP she never seemed that crazy. people here on all sides had been pretty impressed with her up until then.
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Re: Jackals

Postby tiltbillings » Sun Jan 04, 2009 1:12 pm

maybe if i lived in one of those big nice houses on the hills here...

i didnt vote for her (ever) but up until she was running for VP she never seemed that crazy. people here on all sides had been pretty impressed with her up until then.


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This being is bound to samsara, kamma is his means for going beyond.
SN I, 38.

Ar scáth a chéile a mhaireas na daoine.
People live in one another’s shelter.
"We eat cold eels and think distant thoughts." -- Jack Johnson
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Re: Jackals

Postby David N. Snyder » Mon Jan 05, 2009 9:42 pm

:lol:

tilt,

Your wonderful sense of humour never ceases to amaze me.
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