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Iddhis/Siddhis - What do you think?

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Iddhis/Siddhis - What do you think?

Postby Kenshou » Sun Feb 07, 2010 7:27 am

(figure since this is only tangentially related to our practice in reality, it is better suited to this forum)

As I'm sure you're all familiar with, throughout the suttas there are instances of the Buddha or various bhikkhus, etc., making use of these seemingly superhuman abilities, ranging from the realization of certain knowledges, to even stranger things such as flying, teleportation, the "mind-made body", to name a few.

Do you give any credence to these stories? If so, why, and can you cite any bhikkhus/scholars who also do? Or, do you not give them a thought, and if so, what do you think of the fact of their mention in the suttas?

Or do you simply not bother wondering one way or the other, since it isn't a necessary facet of the path to awakening?

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Re: Iddhis/Siddhis - What do you think?

Postby BlackBird » Sun Feb 07, 2010 8:29 am

I think it's possible, for one who wishes to spend a long time in solitude cultivating them. You'd have to ask yourself why you'd want to cultivate them though...

What's more important?

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Postby Kare » Sun Feb 07, 2010 8:38 am

Mettāya,
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Postby Kare » Sun Feb 07, 2010 8:40 am

Or a more serious reply:

Whenever I meet someone who takes these description at face value, I like to remind him that the standard description also includes touching the sun with one's bare hands ...
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Re: Iddhis/Siddhis - What do you think?

Postby zavk » Sun Feb 07, 2010 8:56 am

There's also the one about a yogi proclaiming to the Buddha his ability to walk on water. I can't remember where I read it but it goes something like that:

The Buddha asked the yogi how much it would have cost for him to hire a boatman to take him across the water, to which the yogi answered 'Two cents'. The Buddha then said, 'All the time and effort you spent developing this power is worth only two cents. Your time and effort would have been better spent seeking release from suffering, which is of immeasurable value.'

I think that's how it goes.....
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Postby Kare » Sun Feb 07, 2010 9:04 am

Mettāya,
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Postby Bhikkhu Pesala » Sun Feb 07, 2010 9:13 am

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Postby zavk » Sun Feb 07, 2010 9:37 am

With metta,
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Re: Iddhis/Siddhis - What do you think?

Postby Moggalana » Sun Feb 07, 2010 12:07 pm

I have come to believe that they might be possible. Ajahn Brahm sometimes tells a mind reading story about Ajahn Chah. Ajahn Jayasaro as well. See the video below:

Let it come. Let it be. Let it go.

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Re: Iddhis/Siddhis - What do you think?

Postby Cittasanto » Sun Feb 07, 2010 12:31 pm



He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them.
But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion …
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He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them … he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.

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Postby Paññāsikhara » Sun Feb 07, 2010 1:40 pm

My recently moved Blog, containing some of my writings on the Buddha Dhamma, as well as a number of translations from classical Buddhist texts and modern authors, liturgy, etc.: .

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Re: Iddhis/Siddhis - What do you think?

Postby jcsuperstar » Sun Feb 07, 2010 5:36 pm

from my memory and not really from any in depth study of the canon i can only recall that the monks who did the super stuff like flying etc (including the Buddha) were the monks who had spent lots of time as ascetics, yogis etc prior to joining the sangha, yes they had powers but these aren't what they had spent their time developing once they set out on the Buddha's path.
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