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Mahayana's "Shurangama Sutra" - any use to a Theravadin?

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Mahayana's "Shurangama Sutra" - any use to a Theravadin?

Postby retrofuturist » Wed Feb 10, 2010 2:47 am

Greetings,

Has anyone read the following Mahayana Sutra?

Shurangama Sutta (Mahayana)
http://www.cttbusa.org/shurangama/shura ... ntents.asp

Do you believe it contains anything of benefit or interest to a Theravada practitioner?

(If we can set aside polemnical debates, "Hinayana" and such it would be greatly appreciated... I just want to focus on the Dhamma aspect).

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Re: Mahayana's "Shurangama Sutta" - any use to a Theravadin?

Postby tiltbillings » Wed Feb 10, 2010 3:01 am

Oh, yes. Everyone should mumble its mantra.

Why do you ask?

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Postby retrofuturist » Wed Feb 10, 2010 3:04 am

"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

"To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead" - Thomas Paine

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Postby jcsuperstar » Wed Feb 10, 2010 3:37 am

tisk tisk

yet still funny
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Re: Mahayana's "Shurangama Sutta" - any use to a Theravadin?

Postby Dan74 » Wed Feb 10, 2010 4:32 am

Your thread and Tilt's comments have made me want to read it. It's been gathering dust on the shelf long enough!

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Postby retrofuturist » Wed Feb 10, 2010 5:02 am

"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

"To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead" - Thomas Paine

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Re: Mahayana's "Shurangama Sutta" - any use to a Theravadin?

Postby retrofuturist » Wed Feb 10, 2010 5:09 am

Greetings Tilt,

I'll get Dan74 to filter it for me.

He seems keen to get stuck into it!

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"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

"To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead" - Thomas Paine

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Postby Dan74 » Wed Feb 10, 2010 5:11 am

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Postby retrofuturist » Wed Feb 10, 2010 5:13 am

Brilliant - thanks Dan!

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"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

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Re: Mahayana's "Shurangama Sutta" - any use to a Theravadin?

Postby tiltbillings » Wed Feb 10, 2010 5:16 am

Just a note, the Shurangama Sutra should not to be confused with the Shurangamasamadhi Sutra, which is an early text important in Ch'an.

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Re: Mahayana's "Shurangama Sutra" - any use to a Theravadin?

Postby BlackBird » Wed Feb 10, 2010 10:41 am

This thread brought a smile to my otherwise drab day :)

Thank you.

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Re: Mahayana's "Shurangama Sutra" - any use to a Theravadin?

Postby rowyourboat » Sat Feb 20, 2010 9:10 am

..it left him with an empty feeling?

ok..bad pun
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Re: Mahayana's "Shurangama Sutra" - any use to a Theravadin?

Postby Dan74 » Sat Feb 20, 2010 8:44 pm

still a fair way to go...

will be another two weeks probably (a busy time at work with the start of semeseter approaching)
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Re: Mahayana's "Shurangama Sutra" - any use to a Theravadin?

Postby tiltbillings » Sat Feb 20, 2010 10:21 pm

For those who are inclined to read Mahayana sutras, probably a better read than the eponymous sutra of this thread is the earlier Surangama_Samadhi_Sutra, which has decent and recent translation online:

http://lirs.ru/lib/sutra/Surangama_Sama ... 25-III.pdf

The Lamotte translation would be worth having, not only for its translation but also for all its scholarly apparatus, which is available for .


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