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Thailand -> Perth

Discussion of ordination, the Vinaya and monastic life. How and where to ordain? Bhikkhuni ordination etc.
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Thailand -> Perth

Postby Guy » Wed Feb 10, 2010 7:29 am

Hello,

I was wondering if it was possible for a Western Australian layman to go to Thailand to receive full ordination, then after 5 years return to Perth as a Bhikkhu and live at Bodhinyana Monastery. A few questions:

1) Do I need a working Visa or anything like that to stay as a Bhikkhu in Thailand for a period of 5 years if I am not a citizen?
2) Is the Bhikkhuni ordination thing going to be an issue if I want to stay with Ajahn Brahm after ordaining in Thailand?
3) Any good suggestions for monasteries for westerners?

Thanks and Metta,

Guy
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Re: Thailand -> Perth

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Re: Thailand -> Perth

Postby Guy » Wed Feb 10, 2010 8:36 am

Thank you very much, Venerable!
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1) Giving; expecting nothing back in return
2) Throwing things away
3) Contentment; wanting to be here, not wanting to be anywhere else
4) "Teflon Mind"; having a mind which doesn't accumulate things

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Re: Thailand -> Perth

Postby baratgab » Wed Feb 10, 2010 12:32 pm

"Just as in the great ocean there is but one taste — the taste of salt — so in this Doctrine and Discipline there is but one taste — the taste of freedom"

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Re: Thailand -> Perth

Postby Guy » Wed Feb 10, 2010 1:33 pm

Hi Baratgab,

No, I don't mind doing the Anagarika thing.

One reason why I would decide to travel to Thailand is because I have lived most of my life in Perth and most of my friends, family and memories are in Perth. Basically, I am very comfortable in Perth (the simile of a Hobbit living in Hobbiton comes to mind) and so I think it may be useful to push myself out of my comfort zone for the initial part of my training. Of course, living the life of a Bhikkhu is surely not without its unique challenges (and rewards) whether in Australia or Thailand so I feel confident that if I give it my best effort I will benefit in either case.

At the moment I am just exploring various possibilities, I will talk to Ajahn Brahm and see what he thinks.

With Metta,

Guy
Four types of letting go:

1) Giving; expecting nothing back in return
2) Throwing things away
3) Contentment; wanting to be here, not wanting to be anywhere else
4) "Teflon Mind"; having a mind which doesn't accumulate things

- Ajahn Brahm

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Re: Thailand -> Perth

Postby Cittasanto » Wed Feb 10, 2010 1:35 pm



He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them.
But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion …
...
He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them … he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.

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Re: Thailand -> Perth

Postby Cittasanto » Wed Feb 10, 2010 1:38 pm



He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them.
But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion …
...
He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them … he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.

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Re: Thailand -> Perth

Postby baratgab » Wed Feb 10, 2010 2:35 pm

"Just as in the great ocean there is but one taste — the taste of salt — so in this Doctrine and Discipline there is but one taste — the taste of freedom"

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Re: Thailand -> Perth

Postby Cittasanto » Wed Feb 10, 2010 4:43 pm

Same could be said for any western monestary which has this sort of set up!

and more western monestaries are moving in this direction, as those who want to be monks don't always have what it takes, or are inclined to the practice the monestary has. we don't start a job and change the organisation to fit us, it is a two way street, both have to be willing to meet half way with.


He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them.
But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion …
...
He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them … he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.

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Re: Thailand -> Perth

Postby Bankei » Thu Feb 11, 2010 12:07 am

Sujato Bhikkhu has reported that monks associated with the WA temple have recently been refused permission to enter other WPP monasteries. So if you were to ordain there you may have problems with other monks of the WPP group.

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Re: Thailand -> Perth

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Re: Thailand -> Perth

Postby Cittasanto » Thu Feb 11, 2010 12:31 am



He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them.
But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion …
...
He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them … he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.

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Re: Thailand -> Perth

Postby appicchato » Thu Feb 11, 2010 1:12 am

Have you been a monk living in a temple?...if not, speculation gets one almost nowhere...

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Re: Thailand -> Perth

Postby Cittasanto » Thu Feb 11, 2010 8:28 am



He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them.
But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion …
...
He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them … he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.


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