Moggalana wrote:from leighb.com:
However, the Visuddhimagga states . . . .
Thanks. I knew I should have memorized the VM. The whole idea of the vipassana jhanas points to a recognition that VM description of jhanas does not tell the whole story.
And I basically disagree with the idea that "...that the Jhanas as discussed in the Visuddhimagga are of a much deeper level of concentration than those described in the suttas." This is nothing more than a qualified opinion at best,
What is interesting about that is the various understandings of jhana expressed by various people who have done serious jhana practice: http://www.leighb.com/jhanantp.htm
. Opinions are quite varied.
Once you're there, you are there. Period. From there, it is just a matter of increasing one's ability at discernment for the realization of phenomena that makes the difference between an uninstructed worldling and an arahant.
Which is another experienced based opinion added to the mix. From my experience, my opinion is more inline with Ven U Pandita’s teachings. It works.
This being is bound to samsara, kamma is his means for going beyond. -- SN I, 38.
There is freedom from birth, freedom from becoming, freedom from making, freedom from conditioning. If there were not this freedom from birth, freedom from becoming, freedom from making, freedom from conditioning, then escape from that which is birth, becoming, making, conditioning, would not be known here. -- Ud 80
Ar scáth a chéile a mhaireas na daoine.
People live in one another’s shelter.
dheamhan a fhios agam
Damned if I know.