Let us say that one says I own all the food in the hole world.
and I steal some food from the sherwood is that real stealing?
what is stealing?
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what is stealing?
one suffer because one hasnt existed long : )
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Re: what is stealing?
It is me that judge my self. I take the stuff from the store and pays a person.
What is it that makes that not stealing? Is it that give something to a person that works there,
so becourse of tha thought "all things is own by someone so i must give them something back so i give them this money but I just have 50 oh no 50 is stealing 51 is not stealing" is the laws so correct in nature of law?
What is it that makes that not stealing? Is it that give something to a person that works there,
so becourse of tha thought "all things is own by someone so i must give them something back so i give them this money but I just have 50 oh no 50 is stealing 51 is not stealing" is the laws so correct in nature of law?
one suffer because one hasnt existed long : )
Re: what is stealing?
intention and honesty.
sounds like you are trying to convince yourself.
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sounds like you are trying to convince yourself.
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Re: what is stealing?
Your 'work hypothesis' that somebody owns all the food in the world is unrealistic.villkorkarma wrote:Let us say that one says I own all the food in the hole world.
and I steal some food from the sherwood is that real stealing?
Let's work with something more real.
That the owner consents to your taking it, after you pay.I take the stuff from the store and pays a person.
What is it that makes that not stealing?
If an owner doesn't want to take your money, and you still take his property, then you steal.
Re: what is stealing?
The Pali of the second precept runs like this;
Adinnadana veramani sikkhapadam samadyami. (spelling ? )
Adinnadana means, to take the not given . Which is often interpreted as the not freely given.
So the whole thing is rendered, " I undertake the rule of training to refrain from taking what is not freely given ".
This is usually applied to material goods, money etc. But some commentators would include other peoples time and so on.
It is not a matter of moral relativism. In other words the kamma-vipaka from stealing from the rich is no different from that incurred by stealing from the poor. The vipaka arises from the intention of taking that which is not freely given.
Adinnadana veramani sikkhapadam samadyami. (spelling ? )
Adinnadana means, to take the not given . Which is often interpreted as the not freely given.
So the whole thing is rendered, " I undertake the rule of training to refrain from taking what is not freely given ".
This is usually applied to material goods, money etc. But some commentators would include other peoples time and so on.
It is not a matter of moral relativism. In other words the kamma-vipaka from stealing from the rich is no different from that incurred by stealing from the poor. The vipaka arises from the intention of taking that which is not freely given.