Buddhism based on fear/hope?

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Re: Buddhism based on fear/hope?

Postby acinteyyo » Sat Feb 27, 2010 9:32 pm

I think Buddhism is based on wisdom. The whole talking about suffering is because of knowledge and wisdom about what suffering really is, what it really means, its origin, its cessation and the path leading to its cessation. It is said that the Dhamma is to be known by the wise, not by the afraid ones or the hopeful ones. Those are not called to be the wise, they're called to be the foolish, because of their ignorance with respect to the truths of suffering.

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Re: Buddhism based on fear/hope?

Postby Laurens » Sat Feb 27, 2010 9:37 pm

"For me, it is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring."

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Re: Buddhism based on fear/hope?

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Though one may conquer a thousand times a thousand men in battle, yet he is indeed the noblest victor who conquers himself. ---Dhp 103

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Re: Buddhism based on fear/hope?

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Re: Buddhism based on fear/hope?

Postby Ben » Sun Feb 28, 2010 12:16 am

Dear Laurens

I hope you get the opportunity to go and do a residential retreat of intensive meditation. I think it will give you the clarity that you seem to be seeking. The Buddha, as far as I am aware, never required blind acceptance of this or that doctrine. What he did say was that the Dhamma was discoverable by oneself, by one's own efforts. He invited people to try it for themselves, ehi passiko.
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“No lists of things to be done. The day providential to itself. The hour. There is no later. This is later. All things of grace and beauty such that one holds them to one's heart have a common provenance in pain. Their birth in grief and ashes.”
- Cormac McCarthy, The Road

Learn this from the waters:
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loud gush the streamlets,
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- Sutta Nipata 3.725

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Re: Buddhism based on fear/hope?

Postby retrofuturist » Sun Feb 28, 2010 3:30 am

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Re: Buddhism based on fear/hope?

Postby notself » Sun Feb 28, 2010 5:03 am

Fear is just something else to analyze. I was afraid when I was diagnosed with breast cancer. I analyzed it to determine what exactly I was afraid of. It was death. While waiting to have a partial mastectomy, I asked, why am I afraid of death? I worked on that question and the fear went away.

I started 33 days of radiation. I hated and feared every treatment. I got blisters and a radiation burn. I got over it.

One year later the radiologist found another lump. ( I am at high risk for recurrence but turned down chemo because the risk of congestive heart failure was 11% and the chemo would reduce my recurrence risk by 5%.) I had a biopsy and waited four days for the result. I was afraid. I analyzed this fear. This time I found out I was afraid of the horrific treatments that I would endure if it was a recurrence. The fear went away leaving me still fearing chemo, but certain in my mind that I was not afraid of death. I would accept it if and when I had to. The results came back negative.

One year after this, the radiologist saw a suspicious spot in the other breast. Another biopsy and this time a wait of six days. During this time I analyzed my fear of treatment and I realized that I no longer feared chemo but would accept it if and when I had to. When the results came back negative for cancer I was very pleased but I was already accepting of any result. The fear of chemo was gone.

Now I am afraid. My brother has just been diagnosed with his second oral cancer. He may or may not lose his jaw. He may or may not be on a stomach feeding tube for weeks or months. He may need radiation. He made need chemo. He may die. I am filled again with fear and I am analyzing every second of it. This fear for the well being of another is the hardest fear yet.

The Buddha taught us how to deal with suffering and fear. He taught us to analyze our emotions, not suppress them or be paralyzed by them or cling to them. He gave us tools to use to end suffering.

Those of you who think there is too much talk about suffering are missing the point. I do not fear the realm of hungry ghosts or a lower rebirth. The Buddha emphasize ending suffering. And his way works. I have ended my suffering many times by working through the my fear. Each time more fear drops away. I will work through this latest suffering as well and I will be there for my dear brother. I will go into the hell realms and I will come back out.
Though one may conquer a thousand times a thousand men in battle, yet he is indeed the noblest victor who conquers himself. ---Dhp 103

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Re: Buddhism based on fear/hope?

Postby Paññāsikhara » Sun Feb 28, 2010 11:43 am

As far as Theravada views on the matter go, here are a couple of texts for reference and consideration:

AN 4.184 PTS: A ii 173

[The Blessed One said:] "Brahman, there are those who, subject to death, are afraid & in terror of death. And there are those who, subject to death, are not afraid or in terror of death.

Thig 12.1 PTS: vv. 236-251

If you're afraid of pain,
if you dislike pain,
go to the Awakened One for refuge,
go to the Dhamma & Sangha.
Take on the precepts:
That will lead to your liberation.

In Bhikkhu Bodhi's
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It was the Buddha who, without any aid or guidance, rediscovered the ancient path to deliverance and taught it to countless others. His arising in the world provides the precious opportunity to hear and practice the excellent Dhamma (182, 194). He is the giver and shower of refuge (190-192), the Supreme Teacher who depends on nothing but his own self-evolved wisdom (353).
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Seeking happiness, afraid of pain, loss and death, man walks the delicate balance between good and evil, purity and defilement, progress and decline. His actions are strung out between these moral antipodes, and because he cannot evade the necessity to choose, he must bear the full responsibility for his decisions. Man's moral freedom is a reason for both dread and jubilation, for by means of his choices he determines his own individual destiny, not only through one life, but through the numerous lives to be turned up by the rolling wheel of samsara. If he chooses wrongly he can sink to the lowest depths of degradation, if he chooses rightly he can make himself worthy even of the homage of the gods. The paths to all destinations branch out from the present, from the ineluctable immediate occasion of conscious choice and action.

And the itself
129. All tremble at violence; all fear death. Putting oneself in the place of another, one should not kill nor cause another to kill.
130. All tremble at violence; life is dear to all. Putting oneself in the place of another, one should not kill nor cause another to kill.

For your consideration. :namaste:
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Notself, best wishes for you and your brother also from me!
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