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Meditation to gain enlightenment?

General discussion of issues related to Theravada Meditation, e.g. meditation postures, developing a regular sitting practice, skillfully relating to difficulties and hindrances, etc.
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Meditation to gain enlightenment?

Postby lppaefans » Fri Jan 30, 2009 4:35 am

All,

Hi.

i have a a question. :smile: :smile:

will mainly conducting mediation alone can leads one to enlightment?

care to share you views about this??

I have two groups of buddhist friends. One say no and one say yes.

hope to gain more replies here..

may all be happy always. :buddha1: :buddha1: :buddha1:

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Re: Meditation to gain enlightenment?

Postby Jechbi » Fri Jan 30, 2009 5:59 am

No, I don't think so. You gotta have eight spokes to support the wheel.
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Re: Meditation to gain enlightenment?

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Re: Meditation to gain enlightenment?

Postby jcsuperstar » Fri Jan 30, 2009 6:35 am

8 fold path
meditation is only two of those

but yeah, i was always curious as to just how one becomes enlightened by sitting down and shutting up... (i know i'm over simplifing)
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Re: Meditation to gain enlightenment?

Postby Cittasanto » Fri Jan 30, 2009 8:39 am

I agree you need the FULL Eightfold Path.

a pretty good article is on Wiki.


He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them.
But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion …
...
He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them … he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.

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Re: Meditation to gain enlightenment?

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Re: Meditation to gain enlightenment?

Postby siaophengyou » Fri Jan 30, 2009 9:12 am

Dear lppaefans,

What about the Perfections or Paramis ? One may not realize the Real Happiness without enough Parami.

metta,

siaophengyou

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Re: Meditation to gain enlightenment?

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Re: Meditation to gain enlightenment?

Postby bodom » Fri Jan 30, 2009 2:30 pm

I am not one way or the other on this topic but i have heard of a meditation master who claimed that "The breath can take you all the way to enlightenment." Im not sure who it was all i know is that i read it in Gil Fronsdals book The Issue at Hand. Maybe he was just saying that one meditation "technique" is enough. Who knows? I just thought it was a cool quote. :lol:

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To study is to know the texts,
To practice is to know your defilements,
To attain the goal is to know and let go.

- Ajahn Lee Dhammadharo


With mindfulness immersed in the body
well established, restrained
with regard to the six media of contact,
always centered, the monk
can know Unbinding for himself.

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Re: Meditation to gain enlightenment?

Postby genkaku » Fri Jan 30, 2009 3:56 pm

I was thinking about this today, though from a slightly different angle. Please delete if it's too far off-topic:

Some -- perhaps a lot of -- people walk around imagining quietly, "I am not enlightened." And from there, it's a short step to wishing to be enlightened.

But the thought that crossed my mind was this: In order to know you are not enlightened, you would, of necessity, need to know what enlightenment was. And if you actually did know what enlightenment was, would it honestly be enlightenment?
Books and descriptions and angels on the head of a pin cannot adequately capture the meaning of enlightenment so ... how could anyone truthfully say they were unenlightened?

Brain teasers like this encourage me ... don't fret; just practice. :)
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Re: Meditation to gain enlightenment?

Postby bodom » Fri Jan 30, 2009 4:01 pm

To study is to know the texts,
To practice is to know your defilements,
To attain the goal is to know and let go.

- Ajahn Lee Dhammadharo


With mindfulness immersed in the body
well established, restrained
with regard to the six media of contact,
always centered, the monk
can know Unbinding for himself.

- Ud 3.5


https://www.dhammatalks.org/index.html
http://www.ajahnchah.org/

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Re: Meditation to gain enlightenment?

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Re: Meditation to gain enlightenment?

Postby clw_uk » Fri Jan 30, 2009 4:12 pm

Its a tough one to answer and i dont think there is a universal answer as it does come down to the individual. Certainely meditation is important but I wouldnt say its all there is. Sutta study is very helpful in increasing understanding of your practice.
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Re: Meditation to gain enlightenment?

Postby bodom » Fri Jan 30, 2009 4:14 pm

Did the Buddhas original disciples study scripture? No, they just practiced and they reached the deathless. Find a good teacher.

:namaste:
To study is to know the texts,
To practice is to know your defilements,
To attain the goal is to know and let go.

- Ajahn Lee Dhammadharo


With mindfulness immersed in the body
well established, restrained
with regard to the six media of contact,
always centered, the monk
can know Unbinding for himself.

- Ud 3.5


https://www.dhammatalks.org/index.html
http://www.ajahnchah.org/

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Re: Meditation to gain enlightenment?

Postby clw_uk » Fri Jan 30, 2009 4:16 pm

The scriptures are the message of the buddha, his disciples did study his word and reflect on it.

If one cannot get to a teacher then the suttas are extremely helpful to the practise.

:namaste:
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Re: Meditation to gain enlightenment?

Postby bodom » Fri Jan 30, 2009 4:23 pm

Last edited by bodom on Fri Jan 30, 2009 4:38 pm, edited 1 time in total.
To study is to know the texts,
To practice is to know your defilements,
To attain the goal is to know and let go.

- Ajahn Lee Dhammadharo


With mindfulness immersed in the body
well established, restrained
with regard to the six media of contact,
always centered, the monk
can know Unbinding for himself.

- Ud 3.5


https://www.dhammatalks.org/index.html
http://www.ajahnchah.org/

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Re: Meditation to gain enlightenment?

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Re: Meditation to gain enlightenment?

Postby bodom » Fri Jan 30, 2009 4:32 pm

To study is to know the texts,
To practice is to know your defilements,
To attain the goal is to know and let go.

- Ajahn Lee Dhammadharo


With mindfulness immersed in the body
well established, restrained
with regard to the six media of contact,
always centered, the monk
can know Unbinding for himself.

- Ud 3.5


https://www.dhammatalks.org/index.html
http://www.ajahnchah.org/

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Re: Meditation to gain enlightenment?

Postby clw_uk » Fri Jan 30, 2009 5:06 pm

Some did attain nibbana with ease but the majority needed instruction and help along the way. I dont believe in just reading the suttas over and over i do believe in practice and wisdom comming from within, the right balance needs to be found between both.
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Re: Meditation to gain enlightenment?

Postby bodom » Fri Jan 30, 2009 5:09 pm

To study is to know the texts,
To practice is to know your defilements,
To attain the goal is to know and let go.

- Ajahn Lee Dhammadharo


With mindfulness immersed in the body
well established, restrained
with regard to the six media of contact,
always centered, the monk
can know Unbinding for himself.

- Ud 3.5


https://www.dhammatalks.org/index.html
http://www.ajahnchah.org/


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