jcsuperstar wrote:8 fold path
meditation is only two of those
but yeah, i was always curious as to just how one becomes enlightened by sitting down and shutting up... (i know i'm over simplifing)
lppaefans wrote:will mainly conducting mediation alone can leads one to enlightment?
care to share you views about this??
I have two groups of buddhist friends. One say no and one say yes.
genkaku wrote:I was thinking about this today, though from a slightly different angle. Please delete if it's too far off-topic:
Some -- perhaps a lot of -- people walk around imagining quietly, "I am not enlightened." And from there, it's a short step to wishing to be enlightened.
But the thought that crossed my mind was this: In order to know you are not enlightened, you would, of necessity, need to know what enlightenment was. And if you actually did know what enlightenment was, would it honestly be enlightenment?
Books and descriptions and angels on the head of a pin cannot adequately capture the meaning of enlightenment so ... how could anyone truthfully say they were unenlightened?
Brain teasers like this encourage me ... don't fret; just practice.
fig tree wrote:... the desirable meditative states are ones where the hindrances are suppressed. That's still only a temporary freedom, but it paves the way for permanent eradication of your bondage.
That's probably meant as an encouragement to keep on meditating, not as an encouragement to meditate at the exclusion of the rest of practice. You might not know the moment enlightenment comes. It doesn't always come in meditation, as the suttas illustrate. But lots of factors preceed it, so if it happens during meditation, there's some other stuff that happened earlier in life to help set the stage, like good sila for instance.bodom_bad_boy wrote:... i have heard of a meditation master who claimed that "The breath can take you all the way to enlightenment."
Does a blind man know what darkness is? How can a blind man know he's blind?genkaku wrote:In order to know you are not enlightened, you would, of necessity, need to know what enlightenment was.
Why wouldn't it be?genkaku wrote:And if you actually did know what enlightenment was, would it honestly be enlightenment?
clw_uk wrote:The scriptures are the message of the buddha, his disciples did study his word and reflect on it.
If one cannot get to a teacher then the suttas are extremely helpful to the practise.
The very first five just heard a few words from the Buddha, and bingo, enlightenment.bodom_bad_boy wrote:Did the Buddhas original disciples study scripture? No, they just practiced and they reached the deathless. Find a good teacher.
Jechbi wrote:The very first five just heard a few words from the Buddha, and bingo, enlightenment.bodom_bad_boy wrote:Did the Buddhas original disciples study scripture? No, they just practiced and they reached the deathless. Find a good teacher.
clw_uk wrote:Some did attain nibbana with ease but the majority needed instruction and help along the way. I dont believe in just reading the suttas over and over i do believe in practice and wisdom comming from within, the right balance needs to be found between both.
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