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Digital Pali Reader (DPR) software program.

Postby vinasp » Wed Mar 17, 2010 3:27 pm

Hi everyone,

I was wondering if anyone else here is using the Digital Pali Reader program. It works in conjunction with the Firefox browser in offline mode. Learning to use it seems to be quite difficult (at least for me!). I thought that it might be usefull to share tips about how to do things.

Here is a link to one source of the program in case anybody would like to try it.

http://sourceforge.net/projects/digitalpali/

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Re: Digital Pali Reader (DPR) software program.

Postby Cittasanto » Wed Mar 17, 2010 10:54 pm

I have tried to use it, but it simply wont work for me?
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Blog, - Some Suttas Translated, Ajahn Chah.
"Others will misconstrue reality due to their personal perspectives, doggedly holding onto and not easily discarding them; We shall not misconstrue reality due to our own personal perspectives, nor doggedly holding onto them, but will discard them easily. This effacement shall be done."

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Re: Digital Pali Reader (DPR) software program.

Postby vinasp » Wed Mar 17, 2010 11:46 pm

Hi Manapa,

Manapa wrote:I have tried to use it, but it simply wont work for me?


How far did you get? Did the program start-up OK? Its running fine for me, on a ten year old laptop. Which version have you got? Is Firefox your default browser? Do you have Java installed (I am not sure if this is needed)?

I think you would be impressed by it if you could get it running.

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Re: Digital Pali Reader (DPR) software program.

Postby vinasp » Thu Mar 18, 2010 12:09 am

Hi everyone,

Here is a link to a page of information about the Digital Pali Reader.

http://pali.sirimangalo.org/

It looks like they may have two new versions which are configured as extensions for Firefox or the Google Chrome browser. This 'integrated' version is not the one that I am using.

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Re: Digital Pali Reader (DPR) software program.

Postby vinasp » Thu Mar 18, 2010 12:57 am

Hi everyone,

The programmer 'yuttadhammo' describes it on his blog as a 'javascript and xml based project'. I am no expert on these things, but I think that means that it is not an ordinary 'stand-alone' program. It requires that you have 'java' installed and enabled. The DPR 'program' itself does not need to be installed, it just needs the folders and files to be unpacked and put somewhere suitable. Mine is placed in the 'my documents' folder.

Some basic details of my system:
1. Laptop with Intel Celeron CPU 1200 MHz, 376 MB RAM.
2. Running Microsoft Windows XP Home Edition with Service Pack 2.
3. Also running Java 6 Standard Edition (update 18).
4. Mozilla Firefox set as the default browser.

Like many such projects, this one lacks good instructions for non-programmers on how to get it working!

Best wishes, Vincent.

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Re: Digital Pali Reader (DPR) software program.

Postby Cittasanto » Thu Mar 18, 2010 6:07 am

hi vincent,
it was a while ago, It would open up but that was it
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Re: Digital Pali Reader (DPR) software program.

Postby acinteyyo » Thu Mar 18, 2010 9:15 am

Hi,

I downloaded it. Seemst to be a very good add on. I just downloaded the .xpi file from http://sourceforge.net/projects/digitalpali/, then double clicked on it and opened it with firefox. firefox installed the add-on automatically. start firefox browser new, you can lounge the DPR by clicking on "Tools" and then DPR in the drop-down menu.
I used to use Chattha Sangayana Tipitaka 4.0 (CST 4.0) but this one seems to be very good, too.

best wishes, acinteyyo
Pubbe cāhaṃ bhikkhave, etarahi ca dukkhañceva paññāpemi, dukkhassa ca nirodhaṃ. (M.22)
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Re: Digital Pali Reader (DPR) software program.

Postby vinasp » Thu Mar 18, 2010 2:01 pm

Hi acinteyyo,

Thats very interesting. It seems that sourceforge is now using the new Firefox extension version. The filename ends with '.xpi'. The version which I am using is now called the 'old' version, with a '.tar.gz' ending. I think the new version appeared on sourceforge about a week ago.

The 'old' version is not a Firefox extension or add-on, it is a seperate group of files which are displayed via Firefox. This older version is still available, just scroll down lower on the sourceforge page. I am using DPR_5.09 and the last release of this older version seems to be DPR_5.12.

I may change over to this newer version in a while, I am not sure yet. I assume that the layout / controls and functions are the same in both versions. From what you report, it appears that the new version 'installs' itself automatically. The older version needed to be uncompressed and set-up by the user.

I am pleased to hear that it is working OK for you. This is a powerful free tool and we should bring it to peoples attention.

Best wishes, Vincent.

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Re: Digital Pali Reader (DPR) software program.

Postby Cittasanto » Thu Mar 18, 2010 10:08 pm

Maybe my problem was the firefox? I will have ago of the new version.
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Blog, - Some Suttas Translated, Ajahn Chah.
"Others will misconstrue reality due to their personal perspectives, doggedly holding onto and not easily discarding them; We shall not misconstrue reality due to our own personal perspectives, nor doggedly holding onto them, but will discard them easily. This effacement shall be done."

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Re: Digital Pali Reader (DPR) software program.

Postby David N. Snyder » Thu Mar 18, 2010 10:15 pm

vinasp wrote: Here is a link to one source of the program in case anybody would like to try it.

http://sourceforge.net/projects/digitalpali/


:thumbsup: Cool, just downloaded it.

What a coincidence, I see it was set-up or created by Ven. Yuttadhammo of Wat Thai Los Angeles. I visited with him yesterday.

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Re: Digital Pali Reader (DPR) software program.

Postby jcsuperstar » Fri Mar 19, 2010 4:51 am

David N. Snyder wrote:
vinasp wrote: Here is a link to one source of the program in case anybody would like to try it.

http://sourceforge.net/projects/digitalpali/


:thumbsup: Cool, just downloaded it.

What a coincidence, I see it was set-up or created by Ven. Yuttadhammo of Wat Thai Los Angeles. I visited with him yesterday.

when i saw your picture i was gonna ask if you saw him

what exactly does this thing do anyways?
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Re: Digital Pali Reader (DPR) software program.

Postby David N. Snyder » Fri Mar 19, 2010 2:35 pm

jcsuperstar wrote:what exactly does this thing do anyways?


I haven't gone through it all yet, but it appears to have quite a few selections from the Pali Canon (in Pali) and allows you to do some word and text searches. It looks like there are some other features too, but have not tried them yet.

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Re: Digital Pali Reader (DPR) software program.

Postby vinasp » Fri Mar 19, 2010 9:40 pm

Hi everyone,

Here is my own description of the program. I expect that I have missed a few things.

Basic Functions.
1. Displays text in Pali - the Vinaya, all five Nikaya's plus Abhidhamma, and more.
2. When reading, click on a word to bring up a dictionary definition ( 5 dictionaries).
3. Extensive word searching facility.

The display in Firefox is divided into three sections. On the left hand side there is an upper section and a lower section. The upper section is an information area, and also displays the chosen text. The lower section is where the search results, or dictionary results are displayed. On the right hand side are the controls. These are mostly buttons and small windows.

There is a button marked '?' which brings up the help page. This explains how all the control buttons work and what they do. Holding your mouse pointer over any of these buttons produces a short 'pop-up' help text.

Reading Texts in Pali.

To read a particular text, first select the required 'collection' from those available, using the control marked 'Collection'. The choices are:
1. Vinaya 2. Digha 3. Majjhima 4. Samyutta 5. Anguttara 6. Khuddaka 7. Abhidhamma 7. Vism. 8. Byakarana.

These 'collections' are further divided into 'books', when you select a collection the corresponding books appear in the control marked 'books'. For example, if you select Vinaya then the following 'books' are displayed in the window of the 'book' control:
Para. Paci. BhV. MV. CV. and Pari.
So you next select the required book.

When these selections have been made, a list of contents appears in the information area. For example, if you select Digha and book 1, then a list appears which shows the suttas and the sub-sections within them. In this example, thirteen suttas are listed, all with numerous sub-sections. The first is the Brahmajalasuttam. Clicking on the first sub-section for this, brings up the text in the top left-hand window.

The same 'contents' information is also available in the controls section just below the 'Collection' and 'Book' controls. These are 'drop down list' selection controls, and below them are navigation buttons for jumping to the next, or previous section.

To be continued (when I have explored a bit more!).

Best wishes, Vincent.

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Re: Digital Pali Reader (DPR) software program.

Postby yuttadhammo » Sun Jun 27, 2010 2:54 pm

Just found this thread by accident. A few points, if I may:

Yes, the DPR is entirely html, js, and css; it does NOT require java - javascript is not java, it is basically an html extension that runs in any browser.

The Chrome and Firefox extensions are much preferred over the old version, unless you want the source, which is not available for the extensions yet. Otherwise, a) I am no longer updating the standalone versions, and b) there is no need to manually update the extensions as they should either automatically update themselves whenever I release a new version (Chrome), or let you know when a new version is available and ask if you want to update (Firefox).

The basic function of the reader is to translate words - that's why I created it. If you have a passage with the words "buddho", "buddhassa", "buddhadhammassa", etc., it is able to recognize both declensions and (most) compounds and take them apart and give you the dictionary entries for each word. It does more, of course, but that's the main feature; it was modeled around the concept of a hard-copy reader which would have a glossary of all terms found in the reader for "easy" lookup. It should go without saying that this digital version is quite a bit easier to use in terms of word look up (just click on the word and the definition pops up).

Best wishes,

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Re: Digital Pali Reader (DPR) software program.

Postby David N. Snyder » Sun Jun 27, 2010 5:14 pm

Hi Bhante,

Thanks for the explanations and the DPR!

Good to see you here and hope to see you post some more.

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Re: Digital Pali Reader (DPR) software program.

Postby khantibalo » Wed Jul 07, 2010 7:38 am

Take a look on my reader application
http://palitextreader.codeplex.com/

I wrote this for myself, but it may be useful for others too.
I'm planning a new "stable" release with a couple of bugs fixed.
Upasaka Khantibalo

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Re: Digital Pali Reader (DPR) software program.

Postby yuttadhammo » Sat Jul 10, 2010 12:26 am

khantibalo wrote:Take a look on my reader application
http://palitextreader.codeplex.com/

I wrote this for myself, but it may be useful for others too.
I'm planning a new "stable" release with a couple of bugs fixed.


Hrm. Another Windows-only app... maybe you can help me on the multi-platform DPR instead?

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Re: Digital Pali Reader (DPR) software program.

Postby yuttadhammo » Sun Jul 11, 2010 7:32 am

Hey everyone. This is kind of exciting... finally I've added a way to look up word (and phrase) references in the commentaries. It's pretty rough right now, but you can check it out... it works, I think. Here's a screenshot:

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So, to use the lookup, just select "ATT" from the dictionary drop-down, then type in the beginning of an entry to see what is in the commentaries. Clicking on the results opens the referencing paragraph in the main window. For example, if you want to know what is said about "yutta", for instance, you would find the following:

yutta

K 5.2.2.2 Para. 19 [03] tattha M dhajini nti senaṃ. yutta nti uyyuttaṃ. savāhana nti girimekhalanāgarājasahitaṃ. paccuggacchāmī ti abhimukho upari gamissāmi, so ca kho tejeneva, na kāyena. kasmā? mā maṃ ṭhānā acāvayi, maṃ etasmā ṭhānā aparājitapallaṅkā māro mā cālesīti vuttaṃ hoti. nappasahatī ti sahituṃ na sakkoti, nābhibhavati vā. āmaṃ patta nti kācajātaṃ mattikābhājanaṃ. asmanā ti pāsāṇena. sesamettha pākaṭameva.

K 15.1.5.2 Para. 56 [03] tattha ariyavuttina nti ariyācāre vattamānānaṃ. bhusa nti daḷhaṃ balavaṃ. atibrūhayī ti anantaragāthāya āgataṃ "mā bhāyī"ti vacanaṃ vadanto atibrūhesi mahāsaddaṃ nicchāresi. aṭṭhāsī ti sace nesādo rājānaṃ paharissati, ahaṃ pahāraṃ sampaṭicchissāmīti jīvitaṃ pariccajitvā purato aṭṭhāsi. vissāsaya nti vissāsento assāsento. byatha nti byathitaṃ bhītaṃ rājānaṃ "mā bhāyī"ti iminā vacanena vissāsento. tādisā ti tumhādisā ñāṇavīriyasampannā. yoga nti ñāṇavīriyayogaṃ. yutta nti anucchavikaṃ. dhammūpasañhita nti kāraṇanissitaṃ. tena pariyāpadānenā ti tena mayā payuttena yogena parisuddhena. pamokkhasī ti muccissasi.

K 15.3.4 Para. 163 [03] tattha purisaṃ asaṃsī ti attano upaṭṭhākaṃ āṇāpesi. ājañña nti kāraṇākāraṇajānanakasindhavaṃ. yutta nti kappitaṃ.


As always, the latest version can be found at http://pali.sirimangalo.org/

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Re: Digital Pali Reader (DPR) software program.

Postby khantibalo » Thu Jul 15, 2010 4:21 pm

yuttadhammo wrote:
khantibalo wrote:Take a look on my reader application
http://palitextreader.codeplex.com/

I wrote this for myself, but it may be useful for others too.
I'm planning a new "stable" release with a couple of bugs fixed.


Hrm. Another Windows-only app... maybe you can help me on the multi-platform DPR instead?

I don't think I can help you since i know only C#, VB.NET and C++ programming languages.
I have only basic skills in Javascript and Document Object Model.

I also have a Pocket PC version of my app http://palireader.sourceforge.net/ppc.html
Very useful (for me at least).
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Re: Digital Pali Reader (DPR) software program.

Postby yuttadhammo » Fri Jul 16, 2010 3:22 pm

khantibalo wrote:
yuttadhammo wrote:
khantibalo wrote:Take a look on my reader application
http://palitextreader.codeplex.com/

I wrote this for myself, but it may be useful for others too.
I'm planning a new "stable" release with a couple of bugs fixed.


Hrm. Another Windows-only app... maybe you can help me on the multi-platform DPR instead?

I don't think I can help you since i know only C#, VB.NET and C++ programming languages.
I have only basic skills in Javascript and Document Object Model.

I also have a Pocket PC version of my app http://palireader.sourceforge.net/ppc.html
Very useful (for me at least).

Venerable,

No problem... but if you can code C#, javascript is a piece of cake. The great thing about making a firefox or chrome extension is that it upgrades automatically when a new version is available. And they support c++ as well as javascript.


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