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Niganthas Vs Modern day idealogy

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Niganthas Vs Modern day idealogy

Postby Brizzy » Wed Mar 24, 2010 2:09 am

Hi

Is there any difference between Nigantha/Jain idealogy :-



(Good introduction)

and a modern day "View", by a well known teacher? :-


(Q & A) section.

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Postby Mukunda » Wed Mar 24, 2010 2:23 am

Not if you don't want there to be any difference. :thinking:
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Postby tiltbillings » Wed Mar 24, 2010 2:23 am

Brizzy,

The way you set up the question, you are making those who attempt to answer it do the heavy lifting here, which is not really the most polite way to go about it.

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Postby BlackBird » Wed Mar 24, 2010 2:50 am

Wasn't this already under discussion in your Vipassana thread?

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Postby retrofuturist » Wed Mar 24, 2010 3:12 am

"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

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Postby BlackBird » Wed Mar 24, 2010 4:29 am

"For a disciple who has conviction in the Teacher's message & lives to penetrate it, what accords with the Dhamma is this:
'The Blessed One is the Teacher, I am a disciple. He is the one who knows, not I." -

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Postby Paññāsikhara » Wed Mar 24, 2010 4:47 am

Coming back to the question ...

That Goenka material differs in my mind from that taught by the Nigganthas, in a very crucial point:
The Nigganthas believed that kamma (or sankhara, or whatever term one may use) are burnt off / eliminated by the experiencing of ascetic pains (tapas).
Buddhism also talks about eliminating these, but certainly NOT by physical asceticism (as self-mortification). Or even "burning off", but again, the metaphor of tapas as asceticism, already a pun on tapas as the sacrificial fire, is rendered in Buddhism to the fires of wisdom, a strictly mental engagement.

You may like to check out Bronhorst's , and / or . He makes the differences very clear.

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